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You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

NAOS said:
Injury is an absolutely real risk. So, it could be $80M. I know you think your rationale is the best.... but maybe you can at least admit that there are other rationales? kthx.
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At the end of his next deal I’ll bet he gets 5 or 10M to be a bench gunner if he is healthy... if not he gets minimum... the money is huge.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Couple things, IMO I don’t think he wants to be a hornet anymore. It’s been going horrible for years, and that team isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. If I’m the hornets, why would I want him back at a supermax? How the hell are they supposed to build a winner by the time his contract is up. The only rebuild they can do with Kemba on a supermax contract is a slow rebuild through the draft.

If Kemba does sign a super max, he can’t just demand a trade, with 4-5 years on that deal. They’d keep him at least 3 years of that deal. I will be shocked if he resigns.
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Players ask to be traded all the time... and teams make the moves to appease them. He could even sign the supermax and say if this shot doesn’t turn around in a year I want you to move me. Korver essentially did that to Cleveland so they traded him somewhere he wanted... even Dan Gilbert honored his word.

From the Hornets side I’m not sure what is best. The cap sheet gets fairly clean next year then is completely clear the year after that. They have to ask is paying the tax to bitter a pill to swallow this year and will Kemba be an asset to get us better assets to rebuild. Clips overpaid Blake then flipped him for the pick that became SGA and Tobias (which became two firsts and Shamet). If Kemba can net them a couple firsts and a young player or two it may boost the eventual rebuild.
 
I think the best outcome for the Hornets AND Kemba is him signing the Supermax and him telling them they have a year to get dramatically better or trade him. That way there's no deception, Kemba gets his, and the Hornets don't lose him for nothing.
 
Question to me then becomes who wants to trade for a super max'd Kemba on a 5 year deal going into his mid 30s. I'm sure there's a team out there that would do it (hell I think the Jazz would do it), but Kemba's supermax is going to be about 50 mil fatter than Blake's over the 5 years and the list of small PGs performing at an elite level into their mid 30s is very small.
 
Sandman822 said:
Cavs record with like a 75% version of Love for most of the time he played = 7 - 15 (~32% win rate)

Cavs record without Love = 10 - 58 (~17% win rate)

Neither are great but it's pretty obvious Love had an impact on the team when he played, and he had a below average season by his standards due to a variety of factors (e.g. coming back from injuries, playing a lot with young guys, etc). Whereas Batum has done very little to help the Hornets win in the last two years and has occasionally been asked to come off the bench instead of start.
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I take absolutely nothing away from that horrid team this year. You can’t read anything into a 22 game sample of a god awful team that has nothing to play for... Loves individual numbers were pretty much *** and we all know he’s a terrible defender. He’s not a playmaker... needs a setup man... even if Batum is an average wing those kind of guys replace dudes that can’t defend or play with the ball in their hands in the playoffs... again it isn’t about Batum it’s about the other stuff but I think Batum can be a solid rotation player against any kind of team... Love probably has a greater impact during the regular season (if he’s healthy) but is going to get picked on against the teams we need to beat.
 
Sandman822 said:
Question to me then becomes who wants to trade for a super max'd Kemba on a 5 year deal going into his mid 30s. I'm sure there's a team out there that would do it (hell I think the Jazz would do it), but Kemba's supermax is going to be about 50 mil fatter than Blake's over the 5 years and the list of small PGs performing at an elite level into their mid 30s is very small.
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He’s been way healthier than Blake though... dude had hardly ever missed time. I think it’d be quite easy to move unless he suffers a major injury... Blake wasn’t even healthy the year they traded him and they still got a haul.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I take absolutely nothing away from that horrid team this year. You can’t read anything into a 22 game sample of a god awful team that has nothing to play for... Loves individual numbers were pretty much *** and we all know he’s a terrible defender. He’s not a playmaker... needs a setup man... even if Batum is an average wing those kind of guys replace dudes that can’t defend or play with the ball in their hands in the playoffs... again it isn’t about Batum it’s about the other stuff but I think Batum can be a solid rotation player against any kind of team... Love probably has a greater impact during the regular season (if he’s healthy) but is going to get picked on against the teams we need to beat.
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You're not necessarily wrong about Love being a potential liability in the playoffs but again, Nic Batum provided Kemba with little to no support for most of the season when the team desperately needed a 2nd and 3rd option to help him out. He was kinda the 3rd option by default and as soon as it was apparent that another player was stepping up Batum basically became irrelevant offensively in a lot of their games.

I don't want to trade for a guy who would just further cement the current team's structure and style of play where we overload Mitchell with the entire offense and the Jazz get completely destroyed in the playoffs again as teams just take Mitchell out of the game or force him into bad shot after bad shot because no one else can consistently do anything - even if he comes with a guy like MKG + picks. At least Love gives you that option even if it comes with sacrificing something defensively (which is again why this is like Plan Y/Plan Z stuff in my mind).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He’s been way healthier than Blake though... dude had hardly ever missed time. I think it’d be quite easy to move unless he suffers a major injury... Blake wasn’t even healthy the year they traded him and they still got a haul.
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Don't salaries have to match?
Would be funny to see a team try to trade like 5 dudes to Charlotte to try to match for kemba

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Bodhi said:
I had this nightmare that Jazzfanz was debating Love vs Nic Batum.

Can you imagine?
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It’s a downward spiral. Two years ago we were looking ahead to this off-season and debating Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, and Klay Thompson. Then we were debating Malcolm Brogdon and Tobias Harris. Now Kevin Love and Nic Batum. Come July, we’ll have passed through a few more iterations and it will get much, much worse.
 
infection said:
It’s a downward spiral. Two years ago we were looking ahead to this off-season and debating Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, and Klay Thompson. Then we were debating Malcolm Brogdon and Tobias Harris. Now Kevin Love and Nic Batum. Come July, we’ll have passed through a few more iterations and it will get much, much worse.
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We need a break. Someone actually worth the money needs to say, "I want to come and play with Rudy or DM".
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Players ask to be traded all the time... and teams make the moves to appease them. He could even sign the supermax and say if this shot doesn’t turn around in a year I want you to move me. Korver essentially did that to Cleveland so they traded him somewhere he wanted... even Dan Gilbert honored his word.

From the Hornets side I’m not sure what is best. The cap sheet gets fairly clean next year then is completely clear the year after that. They have to ask is paying the tax to bitter a pill to swallow this year and will Kemba be an asset to get us better assets to rebuild. Clips overpaid Blake then flipped him for the pick that became SGA and Tobias (which became two firsts and Shamet). If Kemba can net them a couple firsts and a young player or two it may boost the eventual rebuild.
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Lol. Korver isn’t Kemba. Davis wasn’t traded by the way and there’s no point in giving into trade demands right after signing a five year deal. Don’t think a player has ever signed a deal then turned around asking for a trade. AK, back in the day asked to be traded which never happened. If I were the owner or gm of a team and my star player asked for a trade right after he signed a big contract, my reply would be good luck with that. That’s basically what the pels said to Davis this past year and refuse to trade him to the lakers. If Kemba signs a five year supermax and then in the middle of the coming year says he wants out, that’s a bitch move and he will be treated like one by his team just like Davies was. Then Kemba will be forced to toil on that team for at least two three years. Book it!!
 
Besides most of these trade demands happen on the back side of the contract because the player has the advantage. Team would have the upper hand at the begging of a contract.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Lol. Korver isn’t Kemba. Davis wasn’t traded by the way and there’s no point in giving into trade demands right after signing a five year deal. Don’t think a player has ever signed a deal then turned around asking for a trade. AK, back in the day asked to be traded which never happened. If I were the owner or gm of a team and my star player asked for a trade right after he signed a big contract, my reply would be good luck with that. That’s basically what the pels said to Davis this past year and refuse to trade him to the lakers. If Kemba signs a five year supermax and then in the middle of the coming year says he wants out, that’s a bitch move and he will be treated like one by his team just like Davies was. Then Kemba will be forced to toil on that team for at least two three years. Book it!!
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Your examples don't make any sense. And it would.be in the Hornets interest to do that as oppose to lose him for nothing.

Also, these are relationships. Chill out on your rhetoric that suggests players are strictly property.
 
Bodhi said:
I had this nightmare that Jazzfanz was debating Love vs Nic Batum.

Can you imagine?
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Good post.
However, if batum came with a good promising young player and some draft picks it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world.


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infection said:
It’s a downward spiral. Two years ago we were looking ahead to this off-season and debating Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, and Klay Thompson. Then we were debating Malcolm Brogdon and Tobias Harris. Now Kevin Love and Nic Batum. Come July, we’ll have passed through a few more iterations and it will get much, much worse.
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Like terry rozier worse?


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NUMBERICA said:
Your examples don't make any sense. And it would.be in the Hornets interest to do that as oppose to lose him for nothing.

Also, these are relationships. Chill out on your rhetoric that suggests players are strictly property.
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Never said they should lose him for nothing, being in year one of a 5 year contract, there’s no need to trade him right away. My point is you don’t sign a 5 year deal with a team to turn around and demand a trade. That’s a bitch move, and he’d be treated by the org and fans as such much like Davis this last year. These are all reasons Kemba won’t sign with the Hornets. It just makes no sense for either side.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Never said they should lose him for nothing, being in year one of a 5 year contract, there’s no need to trade him right away. My point is you don’t sign a 5 year deal with a team to turn around and demand a trade. That’s a bitch move, and he’d be treated by the org and fans as such much like Davis this last year. These are all reasons Kemba won’t sign with the Hornets. It just makes no sense for either side.
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What? It's in both their interest, especially if he gets traded.
 
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