Evolution - A serious question.

[The-Joker]

Let's talk about this cancer thing. This question doesn't really matter to the subject but I'm going to ask it anyway. So cancer is mutation, but is it random mutation?
Are there not "causes" for cancer?

Its a couple separate things, you can be the healthiest person ever and still get cancer, because of a defect in tumor suppressor genes (a mutation). You can also get cancer from carcinogens which essentially destroy cells, prompting more cell replication, prompting more chances for a defect in tumor suppressor genes.

Yes we know mutation can kill you but the trick for evolutionists is being able to show how random mutation creates a new attribute that leads to a new species.

Here's an experts opinon that explains it better than anything I could do.

Does natural selection lead to new species, and if so, how?

Futuyma: It sometimes does but not always. A great deal of evolution by natural selection can happen without the formation of new species. Natural selection is only the process of adaptation within species, and we see many examples of that. Under some circumstances natural selection does play a role in the origin of new species, by which I mean a splitting of one species lineage into two different lineages that do not interbreed with one another — for example, the splitting of one ancestral primate lineage into one that became today’s chimpanzee and the other that became the hominid line resulting in our own species. The process of splitting and becoming reproductively isolated, that is, incapable of breeding with one another, can often involve natural selection but perhaps not always.

In one scenario of what needs to happen to form a new species, is an isolation of two lineage's of a species, so that they no longer can and/or will procreate... this explains why birds in northern South America and the Galapagos Islands share a very close common ancestor, but are not the same species... because at one time they were the same species, and environmental isolation caused by the separation of the island from the continent (also a proven scientific theory, not pseudoscience), separated them.

 

[The-Joker]

This is what I hear you saying:

This desert is flat, so that means the whole Earth is.

And this is what you're saying...

I think the desert is flat, so I guess the whole earth is.

 

[PearlWatson]

Here's an experts opinon that explains it better than anything I could do.



In one scenario of what needs to happen to form a new species, is an isolation of two lineage's of a species, so that they no longer can and/or will procreate... this explains why birds in northern South America and the Galapagos Islands share a very close common ancestor, but are not the same species... because at one time they were the same species, and environmental isolation caused by the separation of the island from the continent (also a proven scientific theory, not pseudoscience), separated them.

So you start with the first bird and you can get different types of birds. Hooray. The real question that evolutionists can't answer is where the hell the first bird came from.

 

[PearlWatson]

And this is what you're saying...

I think the desert is flat, so I guess the whole earth is.

No, I'm saying.

The desert may be flat, but that don't mean the whole earth is.

 

[The-Joker]

So you start with the first bird and you can get different types of birds. Hooray. The real question that evolutionists can't answer is where the hell the first bird came from.

A equals B.
B equals C
so C must equal...????

 

[The-Joker]

No, I'm saying.

The desert may be flat, but that don't mean the whole earth is.

doesn't

 

[PearlWatson]

Its a couple separate things, you can be the healthiest person ever and still get cancer, because of a defect in tumor suppressor genes (a mutation). You can also get cancer from carcinogens which essentially destroy cells, prompting more cell replication, prompting more chances for a defect in tumor suppressor genes.

So cancer is random in "healthy" people and not random in nonhealthy people?

 

[PearlWatson]

doesn't

I've heard it both ways.

 

[PearlWatson]

A equals B.
B equals C
so C must equal...????

There is no talking to you flat earthers.

 

[The-Joker]

So cancer is random in "healthy" people and not random in nonhealthy people?

Cancer is extremely complicated, which is why there isn't really a cure... but it occurs through a variety of different stimuli, but the main factor is something is wrong with the cell replication sections of your gene pool.

 

[PearlWatson]

Cancer is extremely complicated, which is why there isn't really a cure... but it occurs through a variety of different stimuli, but the main factor is something is wrong with the cell replication sections of your gene pool.

Sounds like the cell replicator could use a weener.

 

[The-Joker]

I've heard it both ways.

Well you've heard wrong

The desert may be flat, but that do not mean the whole earth is.

The desert may be flat, but that does not mean the whole earth is.

Desert in this tense isn't plural, therefore "does" is the proper conjugation.



You gotta get your game up, I'm schooling you in grammar and logic.

 

[The-Joker]

There is no talking to you flat earthers.

From a scientific perspective, the desert isn't flat... so your logic is flawed.

 

[PearlWatson]

Well you've heard wrong

Desert in this tense isn't plural, therefore "does" is the proper conjugation.

You gotta get your game up, I'm schooling you in grammar and logic.

Ain't you a smarty pants. LOL!

 

[PearlWatson]

From a scientific perspective, the desert isn't flat... so your logic is flawed.

You mean to tell me that the desert ain't a microflatearth like you claimed? How do they get them cars going so fast out there then? Must be the salt.

 

[AtheistPreacher]

I'm the one who initially asked you questions and I read your long answers. I'm sorry that my inquires are tiresome for you and that you don't want to talk about the subject of evolution.

Funny how you take shots at me for "not wanting to preach" and then ignore a relevant question that I've asked three times now. Just proves you have no good answer.

 

[PearlWatson]

Funny how you take shots at me for "not wanting to preach" and then ignore a relevant question that I've asked three times now. Just proves you have no good answer.

Sorry, I didn't think the question was relevant to evolution. Is it?

 

[AtheistPreacher]

Yes it is. Your viewpoint is based on creation myths told in a religious book. So I would say it's very relevant to ask why that book should be considered authoritative over other religious texts.

 

[One Brow]

Why did you and many others argue that random mutation (whether subtle or wild) is an essential part of evolution if it isn't?

Random mutation (subtle) is a part. Random mutation (wild) results in death without progeny.

Are you trying to pretend that natural selection doesn't = survival of the fittest?

No pretense necessary.

 

[One Brow]

But we don't so now can we start talking about the real theory of evolution that claims that all life on earth evolved from single celled organisms by random mutation and natural selection?

Because this "real theory of evolution" is a figment of your imagination. At best, you have given a description so incomplete it can be nothing but misleading and inaccurate.