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That's why LoPo the best GM. He is thinking about how to maybe win 5 years from now instead of winning for the next 5 years.

#galaxybrain

You know what a better idea is - use our young assets for old Conley so we can get destroyed in the 2nd round again. You're a freaking genius.

We went after Hill because "he's exactly what we need". We went after Rubio because he had such a good end to his season and we need a "great facilitator." Now people want to go after Conley because he can mentor Donovan and is such a good player. Follow the script. 90% chance he's hurt for our last playoff series. 90% chance we end up as far with Conley as we did with Rubio. Or Hill.

Excuse me for being so direct but I want more.
 
I stopped reading after this statement. WTF!! What does this even mean? Why would the jazz want to rebuild for the next five years?

And it's not "rebuilding" for 5 years. It's build for 5 years. Get young players. Develop them. Don't sacrifice a bunch of assets for a two year window. Because Donovan is 22 and a player's prime is 27. Our window isn't just the next two years which is what Conley maybe gives us high quality play.
 
Don't sacrifice a bunch of assets for a two year window.
Describe these assets specifically, and how they are impacting the team in Mitchell's age 27 season.

And if your answer is "we got an impact player in the mid 20's of the draft" then you are going out on way more of a limb than trading for Conley would be.
 
Describe these assets specifically, and how they are impacting the team in Mitchell's age 27 season.

And if your answer is "we got an impact player in the mid 20's of the draft" then you are going out on way more of a limb than trading for Conley would be.

If we use all our cap space on Conley, we can't add other players. So in addition to #23 and probably another 1st round pick since we really don't have any great trade assets, we are losing guys we might be able to sign. I've been on record saying that Lamb could be a good NBA starter and he's not in his prime. Rozier will be a good NBA starter when given the chance, and he hasn't hit his prime. Maybe Jabari is the scorer we desperately need. I think Julius Randle would be amazing here. Maybe there is a player who emerges this year that nobody is talking about, but we can't sign them in summer 2020 because we are paying Conley $35 million next season.

All of these things are opportunities. Conley isn't putting us past GS. He probably isn't putting us past Houston or Portland either. Trading assets and space for Conley is a knee jerk reaction for a FO desperate to get somebody. Be patient, take a chance on a player who costs a fraction of the amount, and still work on getting guys like Royce, Grayson, Exum and Niang better.
 
And it's not "rebuilding" for 5 years. It's build for 5 years. Get young players. Develop them. Don't sacrifice a bunch of assets for a two year window. Because Donovan is 22 and a player's prime is 27. Our window isn't just the next two years which is what Conley maybe gives us high quality play.

Rudy Gobert is turning 27 in just a few weeks. The window is the next 2-3 years bud. You can say Donovan is the franchise all you want. But without another All NBA level player like Rudy on the team he's not bringing us a championship. And the odds of us finding another player as good or better than Rudy AND a 3rd star within your 5 year time frame are slim to none.
 
We we've already discussed testing the free agent waters before making a trade, so again, not super relevant.

If Conley doesn't work out here then we have a huge expiring contract next year that we can use to take on terrible toxic contract from another team, and they'll even have to throw in a pick or two to sweeten the deal for us.

That kind of stuff is right up your alley @LoPo
 
It’s a tricky dance we are trying to do but we have to turn a middling asset into something really good. If we move a first for Conley we hope he continues good health and plays at an all star value... if we keep the picks we need them to turn into starters or rotation level players quickly... either way it’s long odds... I see the Conley deal as the better path... if it’s available.

If we strike out in this years free agency there isn’t a need to preserve flexibility for next year imo... we would likely strike out then too in a worse market.

If we build a team that can be a conference finalist then you do it... never know what can happen or what shakes loose. Iggy looks like this may be his last ride. KD is out. Steph isn’t immortal and could get hurt. Houston is imploding... Denver is good but i ain’t scared.

Now is as good of a time as any to push in... don’t completely sell out the future but push in some future assets in the right deal.
 
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Rudy Gobert is turning 27 in just a few weeks. The window is the next 2-3 years bud.

I would add Joe Ingles to your point here, he fits in the 2-3 year window and is a big part of what the Jazz are doing.

If Lindsey/Zanax believe they got a shot with Rudy, Joe, Donovan they gotta move now. But it is tricky, I think you could build almost any kind of team around Joe and Donovan. Rudy requires more specific skills surrounding him.

If they whiff, the cupboard may be empty. I think this is what Lopo is worried about.

I think they owe it to Rudy, and Joe and Jazz fans to try. But to me that does not mean getting fixed in on Conley.
 

What Udid posted is their latest mock. Changes I see:

RISING
** Kabengele up 8 or 10 spots in the 1st round
** Bazley up from the 50s to the 1st round (#28 on their latest Big Board)
** Paschall, your favorite dude, up from the 40s to the first round.
** Dort into the late first round
** Samanic up to the first round (great pick for Milwaukee)
** Claxton up to 31

SLIPPING
** Bol Bol down to 20
** Porter Jr. down to 22
** Keldon down to 23
** Horton-Tucker down to the 30s
** Bruno down to the 2nd round
** Naz Reid down to the later part of the 2nd round
** King down to the late 2nd round
** McDaniels down to the late 2nd round
 
Here is what ESPN is saying about some of the guys we're watching.

Mfiondu Kabengele
The Nets have their starting center of the future in place in Jarrett Allen, but they might look to add another frontcourt piece to the roster with someone who can play either big spot and has the ability to stretch the floor.
Kabengele made huge strides in his sophomore season, and he is on an impressive trajectory, considering his late-bloomer status. He was able to alleviate the concerns teams had about his medical outlook (he wore braces on both knees all season) by reportedly receiving a clean bill of health at the NBA combine. He has seen his stock rise significantly with some very impressive workouts.

NAW
Alexander-Walker is coming off an outstanding sophomore season, making significant strides on both ends of the floor.
He has the perimeter shooting ability, length, feel and versatility Indiana typically covets. After losing Tyreke Evans, the Pacers could use another option at the shooting guard spot.

Note: I do think we'd need to get above Indiana at #18 to get NAW.

Keldon Johnson
With rotation wing players Kyle Korver and Thabo Sefolosha both in their mid-to-late 30s and not a great deal of depth behind them, the Jazz might consider adding another small forward they can start grooming to eventually play their style of basketball.
EVP Dennis Lindsey has long valued toughness, versatility and 3-point shooting -- all strengths for Johnson. Although his struggles creating offense off the dribble caused his stock to fall somewhat, Johnson won't need to be much of a ballhandler on this team in the short term.

KZ Okpala
Portland doesn't have much depth at the forward spots, with Evan Turner and Maurice Harkless both entering the final years of their contract and Al-Farouq Aminu already a free agent.
Okpala had a late start to basketball, and he is raw in terms of his strength and understanding of the game. However, his physical tools are impressive, and the flashes he has shown as a slasher, defender and perimeter shooter make him worth a long-term investment.

Darius Bazley
The Spurs don't have a great deal of depth at the forward spots, and they can afford to roll the dice a bit this late in the draft on an upside-laden player in need of development.
Bazley has had a terrific pre-draft process in which he has demonstrated an improved frame, a more consistent shooting stroke and a more polished and refined skill set than you would expect considering his age and the fact that he sat out the season. Bazley's potential as a multiposition defender who can handle the ball in spurts and make an open shot is intriguing considering his size.

Luka Samanic
Size, perimeter shooting and defensive versatility at every position is the name of the game for the Bucks, who earned the most regular-season wins in the NBA using that formula.
With frontcourt depth a real question moving forward, it might make sense to think about adding a player like Samanic to the mix. The Croatian has helped his stock with a strong pre-draft process and has plenty of upside to grow into given his age.
 
ESPN has been really high on Kabangele for a long time. I totally forgot that he's Mutumbo's nephew.

I know there's supposed to be one giant tier of players in a certain range, but I think this is the highest I have seen Tyler Herro.

I'm not really a fan of Keldon Johnson either. An "insider" on another forum said the Jazz love Grant Williams and want to draft him. Take that with a huge grain of salt though lol.
 
Keldon Johnson would be one of the last players I would take in our general range.

I think he'd be a pretty safe and solid pick, overall. He could turn out something similar to Gary Harris at Denver if he shoots consistently. He's pretty good at getting downhill on close-outs.
 
ESPN has been really high on Kabangele for a long time. I totally forgot that he's Mutumbo's nephew.

I know there's supposed to be one giant tier of players in a certain range, but I think this is the highest I have seen Tyler Herro.

I'm not really a fan of Keldon Johnson either. An "insider" on another forum said the Jazz love Grant Williams and want to draft him. Take that with a huge grain of salt though lol.
I'd believe it. Though that's a pretty safe thing to guess.
 
And it's not "rebuilding" for 5 years. It's build for 5 years. Get young players. Develop them. Don't sacrifice a bunch of assets for a two year window. Because Donovan is 22 and a player's prime is 27. Our window isn't just the next two years which is what Conley maybe gives us high quality play.
What assets?
 
Reportedly, the Celtics were the team that made a promise to Matisse Thybulle during the Combine, rather than OKC. I guess the thinking would be that they're planning to keep at least one of their picks at 20 or 22 and use it on Thybulle.
 
I'd believe it. Though that's a pretty safe thing to guess.

I don't see it with Grant Williams. Personally, I think I'd take Okeke ahead of Williams, even after the injury. Okeke is bigger, longer, shoots better, has some ability to play on the ball, and can guard 2 or 3 positions. I just don't want to wait a year for him to recover.
 
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