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[Hotdog]

Gotta admire the way Memphis is milking that Conley trade:

-2 1sts, Allen, Crowder, Korver, 25M TPE from us
-then they used part of the TPE to absorb Iguodala and GSW 1st
-then they used the rest of the TPE, Korver's contract to absorb Josh Jackson, Melton and 2 PHX 2nd round picks(which are likely to be good seconds because PHX is trash)
-and now they are trying to trade Iggy for another 1st...

So when they draw the line if they succeed they might have:
-4 1sts, Allen(1st from last year). Crowder
-Josh Jackson, De'Anthony Melton, 2 PHX second rounders

There is a real chance they can get at least 2 other seconds for Crowder if not a 1st.

Huge props to their FO ... this is a masterclass in maximizing aging asset.

Ya
Thats bad ***. That is how you should operate. Pisses me off the Jazz wouldnt ever do it. They totally dropped the ball when it came to that.

 

[hgb]

Ya
Thats bad ***. That is how you should operate. Pisses me off the Jazz wouldnt ever do it. They totally dropped the ball when it came to that.

I'm not sure when we had those opportunities. Grizzlies are probably tanking this year, so they can throw everything out the window for assets. Utah have been, or at least have tried to be, competitive every year (more or less), and I love that about this franchise. It's okay to "tank" when you are terrible anyway, but if you have a decent team, I don't think it's cool at all.

 

[Christian]

Demarcus cousins for the vet min. We would potentially have one of the best benches in the league if we picked him up. He’s a low risk high reward player for that kind of money. He could really prove himself this next season, and show other teams he’s still worth a big contract. I’d rather see him in a Jazz jersey than a Lakers jersey

 

[Hotdog]

I'm not sure when we had those opportunities. Grizzlies are probably tanking this year, so they can throw everything out the window for assets. Utah have been, or at least have tried to be, competitive every year (more or less), and I love that about this franchise. It's okay to "tank" when you are terrible anyway, but if you have a decent team, I don't think it's cool at all.

Nah. I disagree. If you know anything about basketball and know that your team is flawed and cant ever compete for a championship you should part it out and rebuild.

We have had many chances over the years. Starting with when we traded away Deron Williams. Right then and there they should have started it. Such as moving Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. Especially since they had newly aquired bigs to develop. There was no reason to believe that the team was going anywhere. It was also hurting the development of your new assets. Its was an easy choice what to do. Instead they made the wrong decision and chose to be very mediocre and then watch assest walk that you knew were gone anyways.

I dont give a **** what anyone says. Thats was garbage management.

 

[Miggs]

Demarcus cousins for the vet min. We would potentially have one of the best benches in the league if we picked him up. He’s a low risk high reward player for that kind of money. He could really prove himself this next season, and show other teams he’s still worth a big contract. I’d rather see him in a Jazz jersey than a Lakers jersey

Why would he do this when he can make more elsewhere?

 

[hgb]

Nah. I disagree. If you know anything about basketball and know that your team is flawed and cant ever compete for a championship you should part it out and rebuild.

It has nothing to do with knowledge about basketball. Clearly, everyone involved at any significant position in an NBA team knows a lot about basketball.
I don't know about other people, I just know what I want, but I want a team that competes and tries, I detest tanking, both because it's detrimental to the sport, but also because it takes away years of interesting NBA basketball.

I don't live in the US, so I haven't seen a lot of games live, but I have a brother in the Bay Area (already a Warriors fan before he moved, actually), so I've been to three or four GSW games. One was against the Hornets in the tanking season when they narrowly avoided giving us the Harrison Barnes draft pick, and that game was _terrible_ to watch. There was hardly anyone involved, from players to fans, who wanted to win. I don't give **** what anyone says, that's terrible, terrible entertainment.

We have had many chances over the years. Starting with when we traded away Deron Williams. Right then and there they should have started it. Such as moving Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. Especially since they had newly aquired bigs to develop. There was no reason to believe that the team was going anywhere. It was also hurting the development of your new assets. Its was an easy choice what to do. Instead they made the wrong decision and chose to be very mediocre and then watch assest walk that you knew were gone anyways.

Maybe we should, maybe we shouldn't. Lots of teams have attempted what you preach, and some of them succeed, but the majority do not. Instead, the Jazz have stayed relevant (and in Utah!) for all these years, while the teams like the Kings are not.

I dont give a **** what anyone says. Thats was garbage management.

Well, that's like, your opinion, man.

 

[hgb]

Why would he do this when he can make more elsewhere?

I guess the question is where. Will any team at all make him a non-minimum offer?

 

[Christian]

Why would he do this when he can make more elsewhere?

Woj is saying there’s no market for him, and he might not even get the mid level he got last year. So if Woj is right, he might be going for the vet min. Unless the lakers don’t sign Kawhi and offer Cousins more

 

[Christian]

It has nothing to do with knowledge about basketball. Clearly, everyone involved at any significant position in an NBA team knows a lot about basketball.
I don't know about other people, I just know what I want, but I want a team that competes and tries, I detest tanking, both because it's detrimental to the sport, but also because it takes away years of interesting NBA basketball.

I don't live in the US, so I haven't seen a lot of games live, but I have a brother in the Bay Area (already a Warriors fan before he moved, actually), so I've been to three or four GSW games. One was against the Hornets in the tanking season when they narrowly avoided giving us the Harrison Barnes draft pick, and that game was _terrible_ to watch. There was hardly anyone involved, from players to fans, who wanted to win. I don't give **** what anyone says, that's terrible, terrible entertainment.


Maybe we should, maybe we shouldn't. Lots of teams have attempted what you preach, and some of them succeed, but the majority do not. Instead, the Jazz have stayed relevant (and in Utah!) for all these years, while the teams like the Kings are not.


Well, that's like, your opinion, man.

The dude abides

 

[NUMBERICA]

Demarcus cousins for the vet min. We would potentially have one of the best benches in the league if we picked him up. He’s a low risk high reward player for that kind of money. He could really prove himself this next season, and show other teams he’s still worth a big contract. I’d rather see him in a Jazz jersey than a Lakers jersey

Keeping him off the Lakers is honestly kind of a legit reason...

However, he’s not taking the minimum unless it’s clear that’s basically his market, and even then, he probably chooses the Lakers anyway.

If I was him, I would go to the Clippers if I was wanting to shine. The Lakers situation is claustrophobic, but it seems like there would be room for some star play on the Clippers.

 

[hgb]

Keeping him off the Lakers is honestly kind of a legit reason...

However, he’s not taking the minimum unless it’s clear that’s basically his market, and even then, he probably chooses the Lakers anyway.

If I was him, I would go to the Clippers if I was wanting to shine. The Lakers situation is claustrophobic, but it seems like there would be room for some star play on the Clippers.

I'd be shocked if Cousins didn't prioritize a) a serious chance at a title or b) serious money. He won't get b) anywhere, it seems, so that means he probably goes for a short contract. I don't think a vet min to LAL or GSW is out of the question at all. I can't see him going to us.

 

[phippsj]

Oh he's special alright. Just not in the way that the Jazz are hoping.

Jean pretty good at the lob passes... probably best on the roster.

 

[Christian]

I'd be shocked if Cousins didn't prioritize a) a serious chance at a title or b) serious money. He won't get b) anywhere, it seems, so that means he probably goes for a short contract. I don't think a vet min to LAL or GSW is out of the question at all. I can't see him going to us.

If he does accept a vet min, then we should have at least tried. Him coming here would only increase our chances of getting a ring. It’s more of a wish at this point, but he would be great on our team.

 

[hgb]

Jean pretty good at the lob passes... probably best on the roster.

I consider Dante among the top of the league when it comes to drive and lob if off to the C. He has a bunch of flaws so far, but he has some really, really big strengths as well.

 

[DasJazz]

Jean pretty good at the lob passes... probably best on the roster.

Can't throw lobs when you are constantly injured and therefore unavailable.

 

[hgb]

If he does accept a vet min, then we should have at least tried. Him coming here would only increase our chances of getting a ring. It’s more of a wish at this point, but he would be great on our team.

Certainly, but who are we to know the Jazz haven't offered him the minumum? I expect they have, to be honest.

 

[hgb]

Can't throw lobs when you are constantly injured and therefore unavailable.

That is true. I remember what people said about that 4 year contract to the constantly injured Steph Curry back in the days. (Not saying Dante will ever be Curry, but injuries are injuries and talent is not that)

 

[Jack Strop]

Certainly, but who are we to know the Jazz haven't offered him the minumum? I expect they have, to be honest.

May have even talked to him before signing Davis. But at that time, Cousins wouldn't have wanted $5M. He's so frustrated, he replaced his agent who likely told him he could get the MLE somewhere. I feel bad for Boogie (and Thomas). Both were in position to sign HUGE deals before their injuries. Now they're just scratching for leftovers.

 

[enchilada_style]

Can't throw lobs when you are constantly injured and therefore unavailable.

I don’t like your comment about my boy.


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[hgb]

Injuries suck, and for guys like Isaiah and Cousins who aren't among the greats in terms of effiency and teams-wanting-to-win, they have a dramatic drop-off.
I ruptured my own achilles tendon in February last year, and I've had some first-hand experience how it is to recover. Obviously, those guys work a lot harder than me, but 8 weeks in a cast and boot with crutches and **** really cause all sorts of problems for that poor calf. I wouldn't like to be someone who wanted to return to the NBA on this calf.