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Archie Moses said:
What I meant was, she didn't address the point of them seeking asylum legally.

That was the only reason I posted the video. That and Wes had questions about it and so did I. Please don't turn it into anything else.
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That's fair enough, but that video obviously didn't include their entire interaction, and it's certainly possible she (or another congress person) did address it.
 
Archie Moses said:
I read about this online today and did a quick YouTube search. I really need to start looking up some of the channels I post. It seems like everyone knows all the channels while I'm over here like, yeah I just wanted to watch a video. Haha
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Now that I think of it, I do know what the Daily Caller is.


Gawd damn it. Out of all the videos I could have used I used a Ben Shapiro one. Lol
 
Archie Moses said:
He was dancing around the questions when cornered. He could of simply told AOC at first he signed it but didn't author it. I didn't get why he made it so difficult.
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He didn't want to admit that he recommended the family separation policy in particular, notice how he kept reframing it as "zero tolerance" and he was simply trying to "save lives."

My interpretation of this exchange is that he was trying to avoid any answer that would play poorly on the news (such as confirming family separation policy) and instead answer in such a way that would produce positive soundbites.
 
Archie Moses said:
Now that I think of it, I do know what the Daily Caller is.


Gawd damn it. Out of all the videos I could have used I used a Ben Shapiro one. Lol
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Hahaha very on brand. Videos like that are a good example of why people like me have a poor opinion of Mr Shapiro.
 
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Briefly, back to the OP topic. 2020 will be a no more excuses election. In a way we can excuse 2016 as an aberration, an election where just enough voters (80,000 in three critical states) so badly wanted a change that they blinded themselves to Trump’s character flaws. There aren’t any excuses anymore. There has never been a president with less common decency in the entirety of his life and personality. If his latest toxic appeals to racism are not disqualifying, what is? How much more proof of an ugly and vile character do voters need? There really are no more excuses. Any voter willing to vote for Trump now has their own character flaws to consider.
 
JazzyFresh said:
So nobody can answer my question about what to do with hundreds of thousands of people rushing to our border? Your own words, I'm not asking for lazy links.
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Even if there were hundreds of thousands (there are not), that's a drop in the bucket compared to our population of hundreds of millions. We can allow them the latitude of letting the asylum seekers wait for their court date while they are in the country.
 
Jonah said:
Briefly, back to the OP topic. 2020 will be a no more excuses election. In a way we can excuse 2016 as an aberration, an election where just enough voters (80,000 in three critical states) so badly wanted a change that they blinded themselves to Trump’s character flaws. There aren’t any excuses anymore. There has never been a president with less common decency in the entirety of his life and personality. If his latest toxic appeals to racism are not disqualifying, what is? How much more proof of an ugly and vile character do voters need? There really are no more excuses. Any voter willing to vote for Trump now has their own character flaws to consider.
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It really is Trump's behaviour, his lack of decency, lack of manners and any sense of shame or humility that makes me hate him so much. I wouldn't like a Democrat who acted like Trump any better.

And yeah, he has DQ'd himself over and over and over. If all the things he's done haven't ticked a single DQ box for anyone it does very much start to call their character into question.
 
Jonah said:
Briefly, back to the OP topic. 2020 will be a no more excuses election. In a way we can excuse 2016 as an aberration, an election where just enough voters (80,000 in three critical states) so badly wanted a change that they blinded themselves to Trump’s character flaws. There aren’t any excuses anymore. There has never been a president with less common decency in the entirety of his life and personality. If his latest toxic appeals to racism are not disqualifying, what is? How much more proof of an ugly and vile character do voters need? There really are no more excuses. Any voter willing to vote for Trump now has their own character flaws to consider.
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People will find a way to excuse it of course. Right now the go to reaction among his supporters and conservative lawmakers seems to be to call foul on whether or not what he said was actually racist, followed up I'm sure with a declaration that the left are the real bigots for calling him out.

2016 was certainly illuminating for me in that it pulled back the veneer a bit on what kind of country we are to elect such a man. I'm prepared for 2020 to simply confirm what we already know.
 
Zombie said:
People will find a way to excuse it of course. Right now the go to reaction among his supporters and conservative lawmakers seems to be to call foul on whether or not what he said was actually racist, followed up I'm sure with a declaration that the left are the real bigots for calling him out.

2016 was certainly illuminating for me in that it pulled back the veneer a bit on what kind of country we are to elect such a man. I'm prepared for 2020 to simply confirm what we already know.
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Very sadly, this.
 
Jonah said:
Briefly, back to the OP topic. 2020 will be a no more excuses election. In a way we can excuse 2016 as an aberration, an election where just enough voters (80,000 in three critical states) so badly wanted a change that they blinded themselves to Trump’s character flaws. There aren’t any excuses anymore. There has never been a president with less common decency in the entirety of his life and personality. If his latest toxic appeals to racism are not disqualifying, what is? How much more proof of an ugly and vile character do voters need? There really are no more excuses. Any voter willing to vote for Trump now has their own character flaws to consider.
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What if they’re “economically anxious?”
 
Archie Moses said:
From what I understand, many are crossing illegally, getting caught and then saying they're seeking asylum.

What do you say to that?
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That the word "illegally" is a false description of those events. If they claim asylum as soon as possible, they are crossing legally.
 
One Brow said:
That the word "illegally" is a false description of those events. If they claim asylum as soon as possible, they are crossing legally.
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So there's no process of claiming asylum?

Why wouldn't everyone say they claim asylum? Especially those that get caught.

To me, that doesn't make sense.
 
Archie Moses said:
So there's no process of claiming asylum?

Why wouldn't everyone say they claim asylum? Especially those that get caught.

To me, that doesn't make sense.
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There is a process that takes place after one claims asylum, they are interviewed and have to prove to the interviewer that they have a credible claim, and then navigate our immigration courts.

As for why not everyone does (which is quite obviously the case) I'm not entirely sure. Could be that they'd rather get the process over with and be deported instead of waste time being detained while their false claim is debunked.

It may also be the case that people, even those crossing the border illegally, are generally honest, especially while being questioned by armed border control agents.

There may also be other legal ramifications for lying in pursuit of asylum, but I'm not certain of that.
 
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Archie Moses said:
So there's no process of claiming asylum?

Why wouldn't everyone say they claim asylum? Especially those that get caught.

To me, that doesn't make sense.
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The process is you get to the border or into the country, then you turn yourself in.

If you hide from the border patrol, or get a job first, or just about anything else, you invalidate your claim to asylum.
 
Zombie said:
As for why not everyone does (which is quite obviously the case) I'm not entirely sure. Could be that they'd rather get the process over with and be deported instead of waste time being detained while their false claim is debunked.
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Right, that's time you can't be working for whatever reason you came here to work in the first place.
 
Archie Moses said:
Link?
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Your credit isn't welcome with me.

But for anyone else that's interested, I encourage you to review the definition of Asylee

Who is an asylee?

A person, who sought and obtained protection from persecution from inside the United States or at the border. An asylee is an individual who meets the international definition of refugee – a person with well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group, who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war or violence. In the U.S., asylum seekers apply for protection from inside the country or at a port of entry.
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The definition of persecution
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.
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