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rocfan1 said:
^^^lol! top 10 center BIG AL is a top 5 center right now
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In no particular order:

Howard
Noah
Gasol
Gasol
Bynum
Bogut
Chandler
Okafor
Horford
Cousins

Granted some of these are more suited at PF (Horford/P.Gasol, etc), as is probably Al himself, but I would rather have any of these guys be my starting C over Al. We aren't getting rid of Al so I am willing to give him another year before I'm officially on the "Trade-Al-Bandwagon".
 
margodydek said:
In no particular order:

Howard
Noah
Gasol
Gasol
Bynum
Bogut
Chandler
Okafor
Horford
Cousins

Granted some of these are more suited at PF (Horford/P.Gasol, etc), as is probably Al himself, but I would rather have any of these guys be my starting C over Al. We aren't getting rid of Al so I am willing to give him another year before I'm officially on the "Trade-Al-Bandwagon".
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I with you on most of these players but Cousins? Okafor? I would put Al above Cousins and just about equal with Okafor. But Okafor can't shoot though he is a better defender and rebounder.
 
Qman said:
I with you on most of these players but Cousins? Okafor? I would put Al above Cousins and just about equal with Okafor. But Okafor can't shoot though he is a better defender and rebounder.
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I think Cousins could be not just a top 10 C in the league, but a truly dominant big man. Granted last season he showed signs of that, while also showing he's definitely got some things to work on (his FG% was pretty bad for a big). I debated on Cousins given his past and deficiencies but if I had to choose I would probably still take Cousins and that might just be me coveting something that I don't have while taking for granted what I do have.

If it weren't for Okafor's last season I wouldn't have considered him, but I think he showed that if you put him on a competitive team with a semi-competent coach and decent players that he can be really good. But once again this could just be me thinking the grass is greener on the other side.
 
margodydek said:
In no particular order:

Howard
Noah
Gasol
Gasol
Bynum
Bogut
Chandler
Okafor
Horford
Cousins

Granted some of these are more suited at PF (Horford/P.Gasol, etc), as is probably Al himself, but I would rather have any of these guys be my starting C over Al. We aren't getting rid of Al so I am willing to give him another year before I'm officially on the "Trade-Al-Bandwagon".
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Aldridge? Lopez? Dirk? Stoudemire? Nene? Duncan?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Aldridge? Lopez? Dirk? Stoudemire? Nene? Duncan?
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exactly. Hence, why I said become a top 10 C. I know in clutch time hes rated the best center in the league, but thats for another discussion. What Im saying is if hes paired with favors in a starting role and they prove to work as quite a functional defensive tandem, together with al getting another ~20/10 season, were onto something good here. He can finish his time here, and we can either keep him if Kanter doesnt amount to much or we can shop his newly improved trade value if Kanter becomes the answer to our questions.
 
Grass is always greener I suppose. Al is better than most of those listed and I would rather have him easily over most of them. I SAID MOST, not all obviously. Howard, Gasol, Cousins IF he pulls his head out of his ***. The others I'd take Al over. Some I cant believe you listed at all. Not even in the same class as Al.
 
margodydek said:
In no particular order:

Howard
Noah
Gasol
Gasol
Bynum
Bogut
Chandler
Okafor
Horford
Cousins

Granted some of these are more suited at PF (Horford/P.Gasol, etc), as is probably Al himself, but I would rather have any of these guys be my starting C over Al. We aren't getting rid of Al so I am willing to give him another year before I'm officially on the "Trade-Al-Bandwagon".
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Howard
Bogut
Bynum
pau Gasol

Those four are the only ones that are better then BIG AL.
BIG AL>Horford(hes the closest imo)
BIG AL>Cousins NO
BIG AL>M.Gasol NO
BIG AL>Chandler if your had a PF that was a great scorer and needed a defense only guy
BIG AL>Noah if all your team needs is a defense and energy.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Aldridge? Lopez? Dirk? Stoudemire? Nene? Duncan?
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Aldridge is not a center and BIG AL after the all-star break was 1 and 2 in the league with Aldridge in production.

BIG AL>>>>Lopez
Dirk is not a center
Nether is Amare
BIG AL>>>>Nene
Duncan not at this point in his career
 
The point being to stay on track in this tread is BIG AL is up their with the big men in the league weather people put him top 5, top 10 just or outside.He's getting himself in great shape and that means this guy is ready to come in and get straight to work nothin less then 20/10 can be expected along with him getting familiar with the system that TY wants to run which at this point is a mystery to all of us.
 
Zerol said:
Well you can argue that Aldridge, Dirk and Amare play PF, but absolutely no excuses leaving out Lopez, Nene and Duncan.
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I'd like to thank rocfan for providing my excuses for me. And no, you cannot argue that those guys play PF, because they do play PF.
 
rocfan1 said:
Aldridge is not a center and BIG AL after the all-star break was 1 and 2 in the league with Aldridge in production.

BIG AL>>>>Lopez
Dirk is not a center
Nether is Amare
BIG AL>>>>Nene
Duncan not at this point in his career
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The arguments about 7-footers who guard centers and are guarded by centers being "power forwards" because they are listed as such is ridiculous. If it looks like a center, plays like a center, guards centers, is garded by centers, then it most likely is a center. You can list people wherever you want, what happens in the game is what is definitive. So, since he really isn't a center, you would not be willing to trade, say, Okafor or M. Gasol to get Dirk? or Amare? Really?


But yes, I think Big Al is a better center than many on that list. He is in the top 10 easily and, unless we can get something back that is also a top 10 talent at their position, we should keep him for now. IMO the real trade asset is Sap, a tweener with less and less of a role on this team as we get stacked at the big positions.
 
^^^^your dislike of Jefferson is well known.

The Water is very Muddy when it comes to PF's and C's in this league because guys rotate between positions so much. But BIG AL is a Center because of his ability to play in the low post and his size.

When someone on our entire roster shows the ability to handle scoring load he is the best we got!!
 
margodydek said:
I'd like to thank rocfan for providing my excuses for me. And no, you cannot argue that those guys play PF, because they do play PF.
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what do you mean he provided excuses for you? he is claiming Big Al is better than most of the guys on your list whom you would rather have over Big Al.
 
margodydek said:
In no particular order:

Howard
Noah
Gasol
Gasol
Bynum
Bogut
Chandler
Okafor
Horford
Cousins

Granted some of these are more suited at PF (Horford/P.Gasol, etc), as is probably Al himself, but I would rather have any of these guys be my starting C over Al. We aren't getting rid of Al so I am willing to give him another year before I'm officially on the "Trade-Al-Bandwagon".
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Al is absolutely not better than Howard and Gasol (the elder.) He's better than every other guy on that list. The wild card is Bynum who might be better than every guy on that list for sheer talent, but is still developing and has yet to put a whole season together. Cousins is the Double Wild Card since he has billion dollar talent, but a 10 cent head. Gasol (the younger), Noah, Bogut, Chandler, Okafor, and Horford will never be better than Al.
 
I'm in the I want Al to succeed not just because he's on the Jazz but he just seems like a good dude camp. One thing I try to keep in mind is his body type is not one of Malone or other big guys that look cut up, even in the best shape he can get into he may not look it especially when comparing to Malone or standing next to Favors.
Not making excuses here just trying keep my expectations and trying to draw comparisons on body types but I can't think of any to compare AJ to, closest I would say is Memo in that neither look all that athletic but I know AJ is more athletic then Memo.

Anyway thanks for posting all those work out videos and here's to hoping all comes back in better condition (endurance) and hopefully a little more flexible (less stiff) in his defensive movements.
 
billyshelby said:
Al is absolutely not better than Howard and Gasol (the elder.) He's better than every other guy on that list. The wild card is Bynum who might be better than every guy on that list for sheer talent, but is still developing and has yet to put a whole season together. Cousins is the Double Wild Card since he has billion dollar talent, but a 10 cent head. Gasol (the younger), Noah, Bogut, Chandler, Okafor, and Horford will never be better than Al.
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Wrong. Al is a net negative player his whole career. That means every team to date statistically improved with him off the court rather than on. At some point, you have to blame the player rather than make excuses about a new system, coach, or what not. Al stalls the offense when he gets the ball, and is pretty hapless on the defensive end as a center. The good news is he is still young and can reinvent himself like Zach Randolph did. Coming into camp in shape would be a good start.
 
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