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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

Zombie said:
Giuliani is part of DOJ now? He's Trump's personal lawyer ffs. His involvement is one of the biggest red flags in this whole affair.

If you really think this is about corruption in Ukraine, please point to a single example of Trump bringing this topic up that doesn't involve his political adversaries.
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This. The claim that Trump was motivated by reducing corruption in Ukraine is complete garbage, an insult to our intelligence.
 
Zombie said:
He didn't request it, he merely suggested it.
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“Nice country ya got there. You know we do a lot for ya. Oh so you’re ready for some more military aid huh? That’s good. I’m interested in two favors, can you investigate Joe Biden’s son and tell me everything about crowdstrike and a missing Hillary server. But don’t tell it to the ambassador I just canned. Tell it through my personal lawyer. He's my new Cohen. It’ll be nice to see you in DC soon, I’d very much like to see it.”

“Nice whistleblower you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it...

What?! I didn’t explicitly tell anyone to do anything! I’m totally misunderstood by the libtard media!”
 
colton said:
This. The claim that Trump was motivated by reducing corruption in Ukraine is complete garbage, an insult to our intelligence.
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This. It’s insulting to our intelligence when trumpers claim:

1. Trump cares about corruption.
2. Trump didn’t ask for a quid pro quo in that phone call. You’d have to be denser than a brick wall in the dead of winter to not understand the purpose of the call.

Has trump ever displayed an interest in reducing corruption in people who aren’t regarded as political rivals? His cabinet and endless scandals, his transactional foreign policy, and his own personal conduct provide us with zero evidence that eliminating corruption has ever been a priority in his life. I mean, we have tapes of him bragging about sexual assault and paying off women he’s slept with (stories which he initially denied. Sooooo corruption?)

Besides, I seem to remember him being pretty complacent when a certain dictator ordered the dismemberment of a certain journalist. If corruption was such a concern, why didn’t he use the world outrage of the dismemberment of a journalist to cut down on the corruption of Saudi Arabia?
 
Catchall said:
Information from the DOJ investigation should flow from Ukraine --> DOJ --> Gulliani. However, as Trump's defense attorney, it's relevant to hear first-hand what evidence there is related to his client. This doesn't involve Biden though. This involves the 2016 election scandal. Those are two separate topics.
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This is a weird post.

Does Giuliani work for the DOJ, State Dept, or for the president? I thought he was just Donald’s personal lawyer. When did he become a cia operative or a member of the DOJ? Is there a precedent for this?
 
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colton said:
So @Catchall, that's pretty much exactly what you were requesting a few posts back, right? Good enough for you if this gets verified?
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Withholding Congress-approved foreign aid on the condition that Ukraine investigates the Bidens appears to cross the line for me. Then it's a question of whether that constitutes High Crimes and Misdemeanors enough to be impeachable.

However, asking Ukraine to support corruption investigations that involve the U.S., and asking Ukraine not to be party to U.S. corruption going forward, would simply be conducting state business.
 
colton said:
This. The claim that Trump was motivated by reducing corruption in Ukraine is complete garbage, an insult to our intelligence.
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Trump is motivated by the AG Barr / John Durham DOJ investigation into the 2016 election and a counter-intelligence operation against Trump's campaign. That investigation involves evidence and witnesses in Ukraine. This is what Trump is referring to when he says that Barr may reach out to Zelenskyy. That's one area where the U.S. has direct interest in Ukraine corruption. Those facts really need to come out from the DOJ.

I think a lot of people are not considering this investigation and its Ukraine connection because the investigation has been kept quiet and has received only minimal media coverage.
 
Catchall said:
Trump is motivated by the AG Barr / John Durham DOJ investigation into the 2016 election and a counter-intelligence operation against Trump's campaign. That investigation involves evidence and witnesses in Ukraine. This is what Trump is referring to when he says that Barr may reach out to Zelenskyy. That's one area where the U.S. has direct interest in Ukraine corruption. Those facts really need to come out from the DOJ.

I think a lot of people are not considering this investigation and its Ukraine connection because the investigation has been kept quiet and has received only minimal media coverage.
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That's because it's based on a far right wing conspiracy theory about a "missing server" that is somehow meant to prove that Ukraine was helping Hillary in the 2016 election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...all/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
 
Zombie said:
That's because it's based on a far right wing conspiracy theory about a "missing server" that is somehow meant to prove that Ukraine was helping Hillary in the 2016 election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...all/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
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This is the DOJ investigation, not a right-wing conspiracy. This is what Trump was referring to in the call transcript. Yet, most Dems don't seem to realize it. It goes well beyond questions about the Crowdstrike server.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...g-into-ukrainian-involvement-in-2016-election

The Justice Department revealed that U.S. Attorney John Durham, picked by Attorney General William Barr to look into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation, is investigating whether Ukraine was involved in any 2016 election efforts.

“A Department of Justice team led by U.S. Attorney John Durham is separately exploring the extent to which a number of countries, including Ukraine, played a role in the counterintelligence investigation directed at the Trump campaign during the 2016 election,” DOJ spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said Wednesday. “While the Attorney General has yet to contact Ukraine in connection with this investigation, certain Ukrainians who are not members of the government have volunteered information to Mr. Durham, which he is evaluating.”
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Catchall said:
This is the DOJ investigation, not a right-wing conspiracy. This is what Trump was referring to in the call transcript. Yet, most Dems don't seem to realize it. It goes well beyond questions about the Crowdstrike server.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...g-into-ukrainian-involvement-in-2016-election

The Justice Department revealed that U.S. Attorney John Durham, picked by Attorney General William Barr to look into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation, is investigating whether Ukraine was involved in any 2016 election efforts.

“A Department of Justice team led by U.S. Attorney John Durham is separately exploring the extent to which a number of countries, including Ukraine, played a role in the counterintelligence investigation directed at the Trump campaign during the 2016 election,” DOJ spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said Wednesday. “While the Attorney General has yet to contact Ukraine in connection with this investigation, certain Ukrainians who are not members of the government have volunteered information to Mr. Durham, which he is evaluating.”
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You realize those things are not mutually exclusive right?
 
Catchall said:
Not sure what you're expecting from that investigation, but Durham is not investigating Trump. He's investigating members of the FBI, the Obama state department and the CIA.
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Sure, like I said. He's investigating a "deep state" conspiracy.
 
Catchall said:
Yes! The AG Barr is investigating Ukraine as part of the DOJ investigation into the 2016 being headed by John Durham.

This is a report from March of this year --
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...s_ukrainian_plot_to_help_clinton_emerges.html

The Hill's John Solomon discusses his report that Ukraine’s top prosecutor has opened an investigation into whether that country's government leaked documents about Paul Manafort's finances during the 2016 election.

"We don't know much about it, because it is floating around Ukraine," Solomon told Hannity Wednesday night. "But we do know the general prosecutor of Ukraine, the equivalent of our Attorney General, came on our show this morning and said the following: There's enough evidence for me to open up a criminal investigation into the illicit effort by a Ukrainian to try to influence the U.S election in favor of Hillary Clinton."

"That's a profound statement coming from the top law enforcement official in Ukraine," he continued. "Why is that important? There's a court in Ukraine that has already concluded that Ukrainian officials linked Paul Manafort's financial records to try to sway the election. You haven't heard anything about that in the American press, but that ruling occurred recently."

"And then a parliamentary member comes out and says he has a tape of these law enforcement officials saying they did it specifically to help Hillary Clinton," he continued. "That becomes the foundation of the Ukrainian investigation."

This is part of the larger Justice Department investigation that will conclude and come out by the end of the year or early next year. The Dems know this is coming. A DOJ investigation into Ukraine has been going on for months, and it involves witnesses from the CIA in the U.S.



A quid pro quo for an investigation into Biden is precisely the abuse of power, if there was one. Simply asking Ukraine to look into corruption around the Crowdstrike server and 2016 election interference, and asking for details about Biden pressuring to fire the state prosecutor (or even being bribed by Hunter's gig with the gas company), would not be putting personal political interest before the country's. These things have already been investigated and have been out there for years. You really do need the quid pro quo to show Trump's personal interest. He can say anything he wants to a foreign official, especially if it involves U.S. political corruption that's already under investigation.



The complaint was submitted to the intelligence Inspector General, who reviewed it and forwarded it to the DNI. The DNI reviewed it and had it reviewed by the DOJ over the question of executive privilege (which Joseph McGuire explained in the hearing this morning). The complaint cleared DOJ and was released by the DNI this week. That's not a cover-up. That's McGuire following his procedure. Trump agreed to release the phone transcript rather than protect it under executive privilege. That should tell you Trump wants this out there.



There are spies in the intelligence community that have been working to undermine Trump. They've leaked several of his private conversations with other countries to the press during the past two years. In this case, the whistleblower only had second or third-hand access to information. The fact that the whistleblower is CIA also raises these suspicions, since the CIA consists of professional spies.

It's quite possible that John Durham's investigation is going to expose corruption at the CIA, FBI and the Dem party that involved both Russia and Ukraine. Here is an interview with Carl Bernstein from today warning that this is on its way. This will be the real story if/when it comes out. ---

Bernstein said Barr is trying to "bring about proof that there is a deep state conspiracy that led to" special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation and suggested that this is a story other journalists are chasing. "Barr is trying to deliver — I have his from other reporters from other sources — to deliver evidence that perhaps this has all been a deep state conspiracy just like Donald Trump alleges," he said. Bernstein appeared to be referencing the Justice Department's review of the origins of the Russia investigation being led by U.S. Attorney John Durham, examining whether there was any misconduct by Justice Department and FBI officials.
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You might want to check out this thread. It's sheds some light on Lutsenko, the prosecutor referenced in that article. The allegations in the article you posted are the result of a misinformation campaign planted by Giuliani and disseminated by Lutsenko.

This is addressed in the whistle-blower's memo.

Lutsenko has since been sacked by Zelensky as he was considered to be corrupt, misusing his office for political gain.
 
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
You got me there, especially since coming from the private sector is such a crime. Hate on, Dude.
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I said Trump is different from other presidents. Who said being different is a crime? Why did you even bring that up?
I dont hate trump for being from the private sector i him because of his actions as president as and his actions while running for president. Those things are also what makes him different from any president in history.

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Catchall said:
Trump is motivated by the AG Barr / John Durham DOJ investigation into the 2016 election and a counter-intelligence operation against Trump's campaign. That investigation involves evidence and witnesses in Ukraine. This is what Trump is referring to when he says that Barr may reach out to Zelenskyy. That's one area where the U.S. has direct interest in Ukraine corruption. Those facts really need to come out from the DOJ.

I think a lot of people are not considering this investigation and its Ukraine connection because the investigation has been kept quiet and has received only minimal media coverage.
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Trump is motivated by wanting to win at any cost.


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