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Eenie-Meenie said:
I raised legitimate concerns and backed it up with substantive sources of information.
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You raised long-ago-addressed repeated by con men for the purpose of deceiving and fleecing people. You are a stooge who is helping men like Mercola get rich and helping to endanger children and sick people in the process.
 
Oh ****, of course @Eenie-Meenie is an anti-vaxxer.

I say this with all sincerity, @Eenie-Meenie , vaccines are one of the most important, effective, and efficient things medicine has come up with, the autism thing was straight up made up, and you are doing a disservice to Sanders with your supposed support.

Get well soon.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Oh ****, of course @Eenie-Meenie is an anti-vaxxer.

I say this with all sincerity, @Eenie-Meenie , vaccines are one of the most important, effective, and efficient things medicine has come up with, the autism thing was straight up made up, and you are doing a disservice to Sanders with your supposed support.

Get well soon.
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LOL ... Why do people exaggerate what I'm saying, especially One Brow. How many times do I have to say: I am not anti-vaccine. I am urging people to use caution when deciding on whether to be vaccinated. Yes, I follow Mercola, and I follow other health gurus like Mark Hyman, who is more mainstream and was the Clintons' doctor when they were in the White House. Many alternative health physicians, these are MDs, are cautioning people about vaccines, especially the flu and measles vaccines. The problem with people on here is that they have closed their minds to this issue and believe MSM and Big Pharma's propaganda. I have never gotten a flu shot and have never gotten the flu.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
LOL ... Why do people exaggerate what I'm saying, especially One Brow. How many times do I have to say: I am not anti-vaccine. I am urging people to use caution when deciding on whether to be vaccinated. Yes, I follow Mercola, and I follow other health gurus like Mark Hyman, who is more mainstream and was the Clintons' doctor when they were in the White House. Many alternative health physicians, these are MDs, are cautioning people about vaccines, especially the flu and measles vaccines. The problem with people on here is that they have closed their minds to this issue and believe MSM and Big Pharma's propaganda. I have never gotten a flu shot and have never gotten the flu.
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I sometimes get flu shots and sometimes don't and I have also never gotten the flu. What does that have to do with anything?

When you say use caution what the hell does that mean?

Like if I'm deciding to get vaccinated for Measles, Mumps and Rubella, what should I consider?
 
Gameface said:
I sometimes get flu shots and sometimes don't and I have also never gotten the flu. What does that have to do with anything?

When you say use caution what the hell does that mean?

Like if I'm deciding to get vaccinated for Measles, Mumps and Rubella, what should I consider?
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I just read an article with stats to back it up, that flu shots have little efficacy for seniors, and that they can be harmful to pregnant women and their unborn child. In other words, pregnant women may consider not getting a flu shot. So, this may not affect you. For most people flu shots can be helpful but it's not unheard of for people to become ill from the shot itself. I'm just repeating information that I have read from sources that I trust and they are serious people who are trying to give people the facts. One of those facts is that Big Pharma has a profit motive in pushing over-vaccination. In fact, the number recommended now for kids has quadrupled in recent years. I'm talking off the top right now. But instead of attacking me, people should verify what I'm saying, read what Mercola, Hyman, Sayer Ji, people like that are saying.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I just read an article with stats to back it up, that flu shots have little efficacy for seniors, and that they can be harmful to pregnant women and their unborn child. In other words, pregnant women may consider not getting a flu shot. So, this may not affect you. For most people flu shots can be helpful but it's not unheard of for people to become ill from the shot itself. I'm just repeating information that I have read from sources that I trust and they are serious people who are trying to give people the facts. One of those facts is that Big Pharma has a profit motive in pushing over-vaccination. In fact, the number recommended now for kids has quadrupled in recent years. I'm talking off the top right now. But instead of attacking me, people should verify what I'm saying, read what Mercola, Hyman, Sayer Ji, people like that are saying.
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So follow the guidelines that big pharma puts out there... got it. Thanks for the tips. Turns out I've been cautious about my vaccine decisions, as I don't get vaccines that aren't recommended for me.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
LOL ... Why do people exaggerate what I'm saying, especially One Brow. How many times do I have to say: I am not anti-vaccine. I am urging people to use caution when deciding on whether to be vaccinated. Yes, I follow Mercola, and I follow other health gurus like Mark Hyman, who is more mainstream and was the Clintons' doctor when they were in the White House. Many alternative health physicians, these are MDs, are cautioning people about vaccines, especially the flu and measles vaccines. The problem with people on here is that they have closed their minds to this issue and believe MSM and Big Pharma's propaganda. I have never gotten a flu shot and have never gotten the flu.
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eenie, I’m in medical school. You’re somewhat right to be skeptic about flu shots because regions spend lots of money on vaccines that don’t provide full coverage/efficacy— they don’t cover every strain, and sometimes the shots have a year where they’re particularly ineffective. So from an economical standpoint, there’s a critique where maybe we should only be giving these shots to at risk populations, like the elderly & the children.

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In terms of science and safety though, I am promising you— there’s no harm.

one other point— flu shots and their varying efficacy are *not* the same as the MMR, or the dTap, or the HBV, or the HPV vaccines— these vaccines are insanely effective, and the main reason why their respective diseases have gone down in number. Their purported complications have been disproven— I’ve read through it all.

please, get vaccinated for these more significant ones if you’re not already. If you never take another flu shot again, I don’t give a ****.
 
dalamon said:
eenie, I’m in medical school. You’re somewhat right to be skeptic about flu shots because regions spend lots of money on vaccines that don’t provide full coverage/efficacy— they don’t cover every strain, and sometimes the shots have a year where they’re particularly ineffective. So from an economical standpoint, there’s a critique where maybe we should only be giving these shots to at risk populations, like the elderly & the children.

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In terms of science and safety though, I am promising you— there’s no harm.

one other point— flu shots and their varying efficacy are *not* the same as the MMR, or the dTap, or the HBV, or the HPV vaccines— these vaccines are insanely effective, and the main reason why their respective diseases have gone down in number. Their purported complications have been disproven— I’ve read through it all.

please, get vaccinated for these more significant ones if you’re not already. If you never take another flu shot again, I don’t give a ****.
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What I don't like though is that people are exaggerating my responses, saying that I'm telling people not to get vaccines. That is not true and in fact, that's the general approach to anyone who raises a question. I've never said they don't work. We have a long history of vaccines saving many lives. The skeptics are merely raising questions about certain vaccines given to certain populations, and yes there are some who are more extreme. But most skeptics aren't saying to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
What I don't like though is that people are exaggerating my responses, saying that I'm telling people not to get vaccines. That is not true and in fact, that's the general approach to anyone who raises a question. I've never said they don't work. We have a long history of vaccines saving many lives. The skeptics are merely raising questions about certain vaccines given to certain populations, and yes there are some who are more extreme. But most skeptics aren't saying to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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What's your question?

What's being cautious about getting vaccines?

Your feigned innocence is obvious.
 
Gameface said:
What's your question?

What's being cautious about getting vaccines?

Your feigned innocence is obvious.
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Ok, are pharmaceutical companies needlessly pushing vaccines in order to further profit and do some of their vaccine recommendations, which have greatly exceeded those given in the past, cause more harm than good? This may be comparing apples to oranges but look at the overuse of antibiotics and the problems that it is causing. And what is this feigned innocence all about? Why impute things to me that you only imagine.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Ok, are pharmaceutical companies needlessly pushing vaccines in order to further profit and do some of their vaccine recommendations, which have greatly exceeded those given in the past, cause more harm than good? This may be comparing apples to oranges but look at the overuse of antibiotics and the problems that it is causing. And what is this feigned innocence all about? Why impute things to me that you only imagine.
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Since there is generally very low risk associated with vaccines then any that effectively prevent the illness they are intended to prevent are worth getting if you have any risk of getting the target illness.

See, you keep asking questions that have been answered. That's whats phoney about your whole "why are people attacking me, I'm only asking questions." It's phoney. You're not asking questions with the intent of getting and accepting an answer. That's fake. You're being fake.
 
Gameface said:
Since there is generally very low risk associated with vaccines then any that effectively prevent the illness they are intended to prevent are worth getting if you have any risk of getting the target illness.

See, you keep asking questions that have been answered. That's whats phoney about your whole "why are people attacking me, I'm only asking questions." It's phoney. You're not asking questions with the intent of getting and accepting an answer. That's fake. You're being fake.
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Those are the questions that are being raised by the articles I'm reading. The big question is the one related to it being the cause of more serious neurological conditions. While the medical community claims the verdict is out, there are still people questioning it. I am only the messenger and not someone who is expert in this field. I'll send you a link to a film that poses these questions and you can decide for yourself.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Those are the questions that are being raised by the articles I'm reading. The big question is the one related to it being the cause of more serious neurological conditions. While the medical community claims the verdict is out, there are still people questioning it. I am only the messenger and not someone who is expert in this field. I'll send you a link to a film that poses these questions and you can decide for yourself.
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Did you know that people question everything?
Don't worry so much about what other people question. Do your own research and come up with your own questions and try to find answers and move on.

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Eenie-Meenie said:
Those are the questions that are being raised by the articles I'm reading. The big question is the one related to it being the cause of more serious neurological conditions. While the medical community claims the verdict is out, there are still people questioning it. I am only the messenger and not someone who is expert in this field. I'll send you a link to a film that poses these questions and you can decide for yourself.
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Now you're not asking questions, just relaying questions?

And now it's not about being cautious, it's about the possibility that immunizations can cause neurological conditions?

These issues have been soundly addressed. So if you haven't accepted the answers to these questions you are no longer just asking questions, you're making assertions. Not the least of which is that you don't believe the answers to the questions are true, aka, they are lies.

So you're not just relaying questions, you're not just advocating for caution, you're actively trying to discredit the legitimate answers to the "questions." But you're lying about what you're doing and... wait for it... feigning innocence.
 
Gameface said:
Now you're not asking questions, just relaying questions?

And now it's not about being cautious, it's about the possibility that immunizations can cause neurological conditions?

These issues have been soundly addressed. So if you haven't accepted the answers to these questions you are no longer just asking questions, you're making assertions. Not the least of which is that you don't believe the answers to the questions are true, aka, they are lies. And yes, I think there should be more study to see if some vaccines have a role in neurological conditions. But I don't know the answer to that.

So you're not just relaying questions, you're not just advocating for caution, you're actively trying to discredit the legitimate answers to the "questions." But you're lying about what you're doing and... wait for it... feigning innocence.
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Listen, watch the film that I sent a link to you to watch before you start in with this. I'm trying to be reasonable and providing information that is worth considering. If you don't want to do that, then stop harassing me.
 
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