Amber Guyger Trial Starts...

[bigb]

And what you do is 'Best Practice' and trumps everyone else's way of doing things?

Did I claim that? Nope. I just said I don’t lock my door until I’m going to bed.


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[bigb]

Do you go around calling people 'You're not all there' just because their opinions differ from you?

Easy to just throw rocks at people who are different I guess right?

It has nothing to do with your opinions being different than mine. Some of my best friends have very different views than mine in a lot of areas.
I think you’re looney. I have no problem telling that to people who are a few nuggets short of a happy meal, IMO. You’re not the first, nor will you be the last. Part of the joys of truly not giving a flying **** what others think of me.


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[The Midnight]

It has nothing to do with your opinions being different than mine. Some of my best friends have very different views than mine in a lot of areas.
I think you’re looney. I have no problem telling that to people who are a few nuggets short of a happy meal, IMO. You’re not the first, nor will you be the last. Part of the joys of truly not giving a flying **** what others think of me.


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Whatever dude. Some people are not worth my time and you're now 1 of them.

 

[Archie Moses]

My gf is crazy paranoid about always locking the door. Regardless if it's just for a few minutes of it being unlocked. Her parent's best friends were murdered after their daughter's estranged bf broke into their house in the middle of the day and killed them.

It's not a bad thing to always have your doors locked. You might be surprised how many people lose their life because of it.

 

[Archie Moses]

Nonsense. The man was armed with an ice cream! Imagine the damage he'd have done with some salad tongs or an oversized dildo!

Too soon.

 

[Archie Moses]

My gf is crazy paranoid about always locking the door. Regardless if it's just for a few minutes of it being unlocked. Her parent's best friends were murdered after their daughter's estranged bf broke into their house in the middle of the day and killed them.

It's not a bad thing to always have your doors locked. You might be surprised how many people lose their life because of it.

That said, if you're killed because of it, I blame the killer.

 

[The Midnight]

LOL.. the prosecution already making a few mistakes as far as I can see.

They have called (so far) 4 witnesses who lived on the same floor as the victim to testify to the gunshot noise and the commotion, etc, on the day of the shooting.

HOWEVER, the defense had been able to cross examined and found that all of those 4 witnesses had at some point went to the wrong floor and put their keys in the wrong rooms and nearly got in the wrong apartments.

Goes to show that this is a very common occurrence, at least at this particular apartment.

 

[The Midnight]

Another 'oops' was when they called the ranger who investigated the case to the stand, but he somehow turned around and said that he thought that Amber faced a clear threat to her life and that she was in the right to have shot the victim.

Luckily (for the prosecution) the Judge dismissed the testimony as it goes to her state of mind and that's for the jury to decide.

Seems like the police & the DA are at odds with each other on this particular case.

 

[One Brow]

I bet his family's regretting he didn't lock the door that night.

I bet they're regretting that he was shot for no good reason.

 

[One Brow]

Um,.. you did see what happened in this case right?

Also there are other reasons for doing so.

I'll admit being scared of rogue cops is a sane reaction. It's nice of you to acknowledge how out-of-control the police are.

Go on, name the other reasons.

 

[One Brow]

And what you do is 'Best Practice' and trumps everyone else's way of doing things?

When it comes to best practices, I'll take "not blaming the victim for shot".

 

[One Brow]

Seems like the police & the DA are at odds with each other on this particular case.

The police always support the cop, no matter how egregious the shooting.

 

[Rubashov]

My gf is crazy paranoid about always locking the door. Regardless if it's just for a few minutes of it being unlocked. Her parent's best friends were murdered after their daughter's estranged bf broke into their house in the middle of the day and killed them.

It's not a bad thing to always have your doors locked. You might be surprised how many people lose their life because of it.

My front door is normally locked, most of the time. Our living areas are at the back of the house, my folks aren't getting any younger and im normally at work until 1230-1am. Also the neighborhood has gone to ****, a woman was murdered round the corner 4 or 5 months ago, we have a bunch of neighbours that sell drugs so there are normally sketchy types about. So doors are normally locked.

Still most domestic locks are pretty useless if you want to get in you will but i dont see why you would make it easier.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Also interesting is the fact that she was 'off duty' by the time she got home (even though she was still wearing police uniform).

The defense will be trying to say that she should be treated as any normal civilian as she's off duty and therefore her police duties and training should not be counted against her.

Ethically - should she be treated any differently to other people just because she's had police training and such?

Are you telling me that I'm more prone to being convicted of a murder just because I'm a policeman?

Is that fair?

IS IT ****ING FAIR THAT A GUY GOT KILLED IN HIS OWN ****ING HOME AND WE ARE EVEN ENTERTAINING LETTING THE PERPETRATOR WALK?

Jesus Christ. Is focusing on everything else just the way it is when a black man is killed? This kind of thinking is the exact reason black lives matter started.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yeah but manslaughter or murder though? There's a huge distinction in terms of sentencing.

Manslaughter plus civilly liable at bare minimum. The issue here is a dead person, their family, and how justice can serve them. How nice we need to be to someone that 100% caused that tragedy should be the last concern.

 

[checkbookdoc]

I have a relative who's been in jail for some years, and hopes to overturn his conviction still. Prisons are inhumane and cruel. We talk about putting people in there pretty glibly.

In Utah, the code specifies the basis for each grade of charge quite closely. I don't think this is murder. Negligent homicide. Manslaughter.

If it goes to murder it will be because she did not back out, get to safe place, and call the cops.... well.... other cops. Not a stand your ground case.... it wasn't "her ground". It was his.

She was likely very tired, and distracted by the damn phone texting. I feel sorry for her about 10% as much as I feel sorry for the man.

Her job as an armed policeman is over. She is likely no threat to anyone now. She is likely mentally stable. Let's not throw her in prison. Time served, community service, probation.... meaning someone keeping track of how she is doing.

Not a case of impudent police misconduct, a case of a person who makes no claim of special rights. It costs a lot to keep people in concrete boxes while guards hover everywhere. Let's not waste our money on a case that is punishment enough for the cop just to live with.

This is a compassionate approach. I guess you need to decide if jail is to punish or to reform, I think it is both.

 

[checkbookdoc]

She was not just some person off the street, she was a trained police officer and as such should be held to a higher standard. When you agree to training on how to kill you are taking on the responsibility for using the skills appropriately (applies to all law enforcement, military, security, etc.). Feel very sorry for her and hope she is getting psychiatric help.

 

[Gameface]

If the victim was standing and moving towards her aggressively then maybe I could see it as manslaughter, otherwise I can't imagine anything other than murder being appropriate. She was not just some person off the street, she was a trained police officer and as such should be held to a higher standard. When you agree to training on how to kill you are taking on the responsibility for using the skills appropriately (applies to all law enforcement, military, security, etc.).

I agree. even if it had been in her own apartment, a person sitting down eating ice cream is not an imminent threat and there is no justification for deadly force. Drawing a weapon and telling the person to stay still until police arrive? Sure, that's justified. But seeing a person sitting on a couch, drawing a weapon and shooting them, that's murder.

It really makes me think she, like many people I've talked to in person, has a fantasy about using her gun and this seemed like an opportunity to live out that fantasy.

 

[checkbookdoc]

I agree. even if it had been in her own apartment, a person sitting down eating ice cream is not an imminent threat and there is no justification for deadly force. Drawing a weapon and telling the person to stay still until police arrive? Sure, that's justified. But seeing a person sitting on a couch, drawing a weapon and shooting them, that's murder.

It really makes me think she, like many people I've talked to in person, has a fantasy about using her gun and this seemed like an opportunity to live out that fantasy.

I changed my post because after reading an article it says that he was on his feet moving towards her, not in a chair eating ice cream like has been suggested (sounds like he stopped eating when he heard the door open and went to chase off the intruder).

 

[Gameface]

I changed my post because after reading an article it says that he was on his feet moving towards her, not in a chair eating ice cream like has been suggested (sounds like he heard the door open and was going to chase off the intruder).

Ahh, that changes things a bit. But just a bit.