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Ekpe or Ed Davis

Ekpe or Ed Davis?

  • Ekpe

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • Davis

    Votes: 28 82.4%
  • Total voters
    34
I have to say I disagree with many of these posts. For one, from what Davis has shown -- I haven't seen much of him before this -- Epke is far and away better on defense. His block per minute average was better than Gobert most of the season though I don't know if it ended that way.

On offense I haven't seen Davis do anything. Epke could go in the post and make jump hooks, and I don't think he had such bad hands, either. So, while Davis may be better, I haven't seen it, and he seems to drop the ball every time someone passes to him.

Sure Davis has had a better NBA career, but so far with the Jazz he hasn't shown anything.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I have to say I disagree with many of these posts. For one, from what Davis has shown -- I haven't seen much of him before this -- Epke is far and away better on defense. His block per minute average was better than Gobert most of the season though I don't know if it ended that way.

On offense I haven't seen Davis do anything. Epke could go in the post and make jump hooks, and I don't think he had such bad hands, either. So, while Davis may be better, I haven't seen it, and he seems to drop the ball every time someone passes to him.

Sure Davis has had a better NBA career, but so far with the Jazz he hasn't shown anything.
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Davis hasn't shown anything yet with the Jazz because he's played exactly zero meaningful minutes with the Jazz. There's a reason he's one of the most coveted backup centers in the league, whereas Ekpe, much as I loved him, was never more than 3rd string even with the Jazz.
And if we're comparing to Gobert: Davis outrebounded him by 2.5 per 36 last season (and outrebounded Ekpe by 7 per 36).
 
Udidthizz said:
Davis hasn't shown anything yet with the Jazz because he's played exactly zero meaningful minutes with the Jazz. There's a reason he's one of the most coveted backup centers in the league, whereas Ekpe, much as I loved him, was never more than 3rd string even with the Jazz.
And if we're comparing to Gobert: Davis outrebounded him by 2.5 per 36 last season (and outrebounded Ekpe by 7 per 36).
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You may be right and I hope you are. Like Bogey, both have been seriously underwhelming. On the other hand, Jeff Green has been better than expected, and should get major minutes.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
You may be right and I hope you are. Like Bogey, both have been seriously underwhelming. On the other hand, Jeff Green has been better than expected, and should get major minutes.
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I hope so too! To be fair, I think the Jazz got better since last season but if all the new players will work out as expected (or hoped) or just some of them remains to be seen. But I choose to be wildly optimistic for now :)
 
Udidthizz said:
Davis hasn't shown anything yet with the Jazz because he's played exactly zero meaningful minutes with the Jazz. There's a reason he's one of the most coveted backup centers in the league, whereas Ekpe, much as I loved him, was never more than 3rd string even with the Jazz.
And if we're comparing to Gobert: Davis outrebounded him by 2.5 per 36 last season (and outrebounded Ekpe by 7 per 36).
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Ekpe was only 3rd string because we had 2 starting centers. Davis would be as well if we still had Favors. Not a good argument.

Though I believe Davis offensive rebounding in second unit will be more valuable than Udoh's defense.
 
I hate to rag on Epke but what has he ever accomplished via basketball? He's never averaged more than 5 rebounds per game, his career high in pts is 5.7.

Ed Davis is basically superior in ever statistical category.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Ed Davis is basically superior in ever statistical category.
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I honestly thought the same thing.
Then I looked up their stats per 36 and found that epke is the better scorer, rebounder, and passer. With better efficiency.
I was quite surprised

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fishonjazz said:
I honestly thought the same thing.
Then I looked up their stats per 36 and found that epke is the better scorer, rebounder, and passer. With better efficiency.
I was quite surprised

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Yes, just think about it when Ekpe played. Did we ever lose ground? He always seemed to hold his own and he was very good on defense. I don't understand the hate for Ekpe. Maybe Davis is better but Ekpe was certainly not terrible.
 
fishonjazz said:
I honestly thought the same thing.
Then I looked up their stats per 36 and found that epke is the better scorer, rebounder, and passer. With better efficiency.
I was quite surprised

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You need to check those stats again. Three of them are correct, but Epke is nowhere near the rebounder Davis is.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I've noticed that I am not the only one who has been disappointed with Ed Davis. He has absolutely no offensive game and while he can rebound, he's not very strong and not a great rim protector.

Do others feel that maybe Ekpe would be a better option. Based on what I've seen of Davis, Ekpe is not only better offensively, but far superior on the defensive end, adding another rim protector to Rudy, especially if Rudy has foul trouble or is injured. In fact, Ekpe is nearly the equal of Rudy as a shot blocker.

Thoughts?
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Your basing this opinion off of watching a few PRESEASON games of Davis. Anyone who has watched him over his career can tell you, We're blessed to have him. It's unbelievable that Ekpe even earns 10% of your little poll. He has played for us the last few years, and you've had the chance to watch him. When have you been impressed with him when he's defending something other than a 3rd string competitor?? I'll wait...............
 
idiot said:
You need to check those stats again. Three of them are correct, but Epke is nowhere near the rebounder Davis is.
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I stand corrected. Davis 12 rebounds and epke 10. But ya, everything else (points, assists, blocks, efficiency) is all epke and by a wider margin.


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idiot said:
It's 17 vs. 10. I think you were looking just at defensive boards for Davis, rather than total.
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Oh ****. That's some damn fine rebounding.
My bad, thanks for the correction.

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fishonjazz said:
Oh ****. That's some damn fine rebounding.
My bad, thanks for the correction.

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No, you were right and were looking at Davis’ career stats which is fair. He was 17 last year and higher than 12 in the previous couple years as well. On a team that rebounded terribly. I’m guessing Davis, with Gobert on the bench during most of not all of that time, will rebound somewhere around 12.5-13.5 per 36.
 
fishonjazz said:
I honestly thought the same thing.
Then I looked up their stats per 36 and found that epke is the better scorer, rebounder, and passer. With better efficiency.
I was quite surprised

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I don't feel per 36 is relevant here as there is a reason why someone like Ed Davis generally has gotten far more playing time than Udoh. Davis averages 6 more minutes per game for a reason career wise. For example the last three seasons Udoh has only averaged 7.7 mpg and just for fun 1.9 pts per game and 2.3 rebounds. Now Davis is averaging 18(even)mpg, 5.4 points, and 7.1 rebounds. Their impacts over the last 3 years aren't even close. Epke basically played very sparingly and some nights got DNP'd, Davis on the other hand is a solid role player that deserves minutes night in and night out.

Edit: and this sucks as I feel like I'm trashing Epke but I really enjoyed the guys time here. I just don't think he really moved the needle for this team at all. He had his moments though. Davis on the other hand I think will have moments more often and offer more valuable minutes. That's not saying Davis is some key monumental piece, I'm just saying his impact will be much bigger on the court.
 
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