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Zombie said:
Kellyanne Conway being the author would be the least surprising thing tbh.

I've never understood how their marriage works, but if she's been working this whole thing for her personal benefit, and is not in fact a Trump loyalist it starts to make a lot more sense.
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Yeah, certainly could be her. Don't understand the marriage either, but I figure it's none of my business.

There are a few others I thought it might have been, but I think they are all gone now.
 
The Thriller said:
yeah. That sounds important and all, but can’t we focus for a second on the real crime? Pelosi hasn’t voted publicly on the impeachment inquiry so we can’t attack vulnerable Democrats. Also, Adam Shifty Schiff added stuff while reading the transcript. Therefore, this entire impeachment thingie is a sham and we should just forget about “lynching” the president. The real crime is the procedure that the Democrats are employing. It’s really devastating to the Trump cartel. So mean. WITCH HUNT!
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Presidential harassment!
 
colton said:
Presidential harassment!
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:)

It’s been a while since I’ve seen that one. Such a good one. Seriously though, isn’t it telling that Republicans aren’t refuting anything these witnesses are saying? They’re merely going after the procedure. As if Taylor’s testimony is 100 percent false because Pelosi hasn’t voted to initiate the inquiry so republicans can focus their ire on vulnerable Democrats like Ben McAdams. People who continue to attack this procedure make me so frustrated. Pay attention to what these witnesses are saying!!! It should make us sick to know that our president exploited a very vulnerable country to do this.

here’s an example of what I’m talking about:



and this is just disgusting. I hope he loses in 2020:

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2019/1...ne-president-betraying-americans-stewart-says

SALT LAKE CITY — State Department employees who undermine President Donald Trump’s agenda are “betraying” the American people, according to Rep. Chris Stewart.

The Utah Republican said federal employees don’t just work for the president.

“They work for the people of the United States and the people selected this president. They’re not betraying the president. They’re betraying the people,” Stewart said Monday on Fox News’ “The Ingraham Angle.” “They’re betraying the trust and the Constitution which has sustained us for more than 200 years.”
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Zombie said:
This to me, is hilarious.

Trump's daughter and son in law got jobs in the White House. A company Kushner owns got 90 million in foreign money after he got a job in the Trump admin working in foreign policy ffs.

The Trump org has pursued and closed on deals in foreign countries (to say nothing of the countless stays by foreign dignitaries at Trump properties in the US). This has been talked about literally since before Trump was even elected.
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Which one of these examples do you think is equivalent to Hunter Biden? You were the guy who didn't see my Biden example as relevant to what's going on with Trump, yet now you feel like just because the stories you have pointed out involve children and money (and no other similarities that I'm aware of) that they are equivalent to the Biden situation?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Which one of these examples do you think is equivalent to Hunter Biden? You were the guy who didn't see my Biden example as relevant to what's going on with Trump, yet now you feel like just because the stories you have pointed out involve children and money (and no other similarities that I'm aware of) that they are equivalent to the Biden situation?
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The Biden situation of leveraging his dad's position to make money?

I'm pretty sure I already did that.
 
Jazzta said:
Okay
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Biden was a part of a coalition from various countries who demanded the termination of this prosecutor for NOT investigating corruption. If he really wanted to protect corrupt companies, he would’ve encouraged Ukraine to keep this prosecutor in place.

In 2019, President Donald Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, claimed that Vice President Biden had actually sought the dismissal of Shokin in order to protect his son and Burisma Holdings,[40][5]however, there is no evidence that this was what happened.[3] There has also been no evidence produced of wrongdoing done by Hunter Biden in Ukraine.[7] The Ukrainian anti-corruption investigation agency stated in September 2019 that the investigation of Burisma was restricted solely to investigating the period of 2010 to 2012, before Hunter Biden joined Burisma in 2014.[6] Shokin in May 2019 claimed that he was fired because he was actively investigating Burisma,[41] but U.S. and Ukrainian officials have stated that the investigation into Burisma was dormant at the time of Shokin's dismissal.[28][41][42] Ukrainian sources have maintained that Shokin was fired for failing to address corruption, including within his office.[34][43]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden

this is also not the first time this has been addressed in this thread. So @Jazzta, read or listen to better news sources. You’re repeating disinformation that was refuted weeks ago by reliable news sources and posters on this board. So whatever you’re using to learn about this story, it’s not reliable, find better (more reliable) sources.
 
sirkickyass said:
A very good explainer of the whole Joe Biden/Hunter Biden situation from the Kyiv post: the only good English language news source in Ukraine. It's less than five minutes long, and explains the role of all the relevant players (also, subscriptions are only $5/month and you'll learn a lot while supporting independent journalism in Europe's largest country).

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this was helpful.
 
sirkickyass said:
So you would agree that Congress is entitled to, and needs to see, the report in question so that they can see the full contents of the allegations and evaluate their merits.

Congrats, you're with US.



I'm going to go through this bit by bit, because everything you've heard is pure spin. Please remember, Ukraine/Russia is the part of the world I've been most interested in studying for a couple of years, and I put enough time into it that it's effectively a part time job.

Important background information:

Victor Yanukovych was the Russian backed president of Ukraine from 2010 to 2014. He's an important figure in the US/Ukrainian relationship for a couple reasons.

1. Paul Manafort worked on Yanukovich's political campaigns, funded largely with the help of Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, including his 2010 Presidential campaign. He did so even though the US government opposed Yanukovich's candidacy - effectively working AGAINST stated US interests in the region. Manafort later was Trump's campaign manager during the critical primary and convention period. (Source: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/politics/mueller-search-warrants-manafort/index.html). Manafort was ultimately convicted of crimes related to this work.

2. Yanukoych's work as President of Ukraine ultimately led to a revolution in the country in the 2014. I've posted pictures of the Maidan before where the revolution happened. The country largely revolted over Yanukovych corruptly turning his back on further integration with the West through a cooperation agreement with the European Union. Yanukovych did so because he was personally profiting by stronger relationships with Europe. He committed treason against his country as president by putting his own financial interests ahead of Ukraine's. Yanukovych has been in exile in Southern Russia for more than five years and was convicted, in absentia, of treason. (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych )


These dates, and names are important because Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a large oil and gas extraction company in Ukraine, approximately two months after the Euromaidan revolution. Further, Burisma was founded by Mykola Zlochevsky, who was a Yanukovich political ally, to the extent that he served as the minister of ecology and natural resources during the early portions of the Yanukovich administration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Zlochevsky

The investigation into Burisma holdings was tied to Zlochevsky's position as the minister of ecology and natural resources. This is a position that he held from 2010 -2012. Zlochevksy later had a position on the national security council in Ukraine from 2012, until the government collapsed in February 2014. The allegation (probably true) was that Zlochevksy used his position in the government to grant his own companies, including Burisma, licenses that it would not have otherwise gotten. In effect, self-dealing. (Source: https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/trump-whistleblower-scandal-explained-from-ukraine.html) . No one has EVER alleged that any of those activities occurred after Hunter Biden was named to the board of Burisma - a few months after Zlochevsky and Yanukovich fled the country. As a result, it is completely and utterly incorrect to suggest that any prosecutor in Ukraine was ever looking into Hunter Biden personally. The conduct that Burisma was investigated for happened entirely before he was ever involved with the company.

The Prosecutor:

Viktor Shokin is the former general prosecutor of Ukraine, and was appointed in 2015 - some three years after the investigation into Zlovhevsky's activities had been initiated. After the 2014 revolution, the position of general prosecutor turned over several times. Shokin was the third general prosecutor appointed to the position in twelve months. Several allies of the Yanukovych administration remained in various governmental positions and were frustrating investigations into the previous administration by stonewalling and hiding information. Prosecutors had been sabotaging investigations into Zlochevsky's activities since at least 2014, more than a year before Shokin came into office. (Source (Russian language): https://gordonua.com/news/politics/...r_cju1d0zj90sut8gci7ucvnbxaeb9jqfeas8woba4f30 )

Shokin was prosecutor for barely a year and was INTENSELY unpopular in Ukraine, public protests were held demanding his resignation approximately six months before Joe Biden pushed for his firing. (Source: https://www.unian.info/society/1170...nce-demanding-shokins-resignation-photos.html). The irony here is that the complaint was that Shokin was not doing ENOUGH to prosecute old corruption cases. Shokin was not a anti corruption crusader who was looking into the wrong people. In fact, under Shokin's watch, the Ukrainian government agreed to unfreeze $23.5 million worth of property claimed by Zlochevsky. Shokin was a non-functioning officer in a country with deep seated corruption problems who was not actively prosecuting these cases.

There is also no indication that Shokin took any particular interest in the Burisma case until there was an opportunity for reprisal against Joe Biden. The best English language Kyiv newspaper was unable to find any public statements by Shokin about Burisma or Hunter Biden while in office. ( https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/trump-whistleblower-scandal-explained-from-ukraine.html ). As a result, there's literally no reason for anyone to believe that either Joe or Hunter Biden perceived Shokin as a personal threat. For there to be a conflict of interest, they would have to know that Shokin was actually potentially a detriment to their personal fortunes. There is no evidence that this was true.

Feel free to share with all your conservative friends. And I'm willing to answer follow up questions. Reading the GOP story about this whole thing is beyond frustrating if you follow the local news there.
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This too was helpful
 
There are so many posts from Sirkickyass, Zombie, OB, and others between pages 102-160 that explain this Hunter Biden and Burisma situation.

I honestly can’t believe people are still confused over this.
 
The Thriller said:
Biden was a part of a coalition from various countries who demanded the termination of this prosecutor for NOT investigating corruption. If he really wanted to protect corrupt companies, he would’ve encouraged Ukraine to keep this prosecutor in place.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden

this is also not the first time this has been addressed in this thread. So @Jazzta, read or listen to better news sources. You’re repeating disinformation that was refuted weeks ago by reliable news sources and posters on this board. So whatever you’re using to learn about this story, it’s not reliable, find better (more reliable) sources.
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Thanks for the elaborate response. What reliable sources would you recommend? I wouldn’t want to fall in line with the disinformation that’s being thrown out there.
 
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