Big Al Working Hard

[LogGrad98]

Log read his post. he wants us to hate white players more. He is offended that Jazz fanz like their white players.

No Log, you are stupid for saying my post was stupid. Read his post. He resents that Jazzfans don't hate their white players as much as their black players.

This is what he said: "its amazing how much love an average skilled white player gets when they play for Utah" . In the context of his post, it is clear that he resents that white players are not hated as much as black players.

In addition, he is stupid, because it is clear that white players are hated more than black players on Jazzfans. however, he only sees the hate for black players and discounts the hate for white players. From Crotty to Keefe to Foster to Ostertag to Kirilenko to Fesenko, etc., it is politically correct for Jazzfanz to hate their white players more than black players. We've got one white player who actually, finally, got a little playing time at the end of last season. Despite getting plenty of hate on Jazzfanz all year, it turned out that he played well when he got a chance. He still got less love and more hate than the comparable young good rising star on the team who happened to be black, but clearly this poster resents any praise of the one white player on the team who doesn't get as much hate anymore as he used to.

Just for the record, there are some players who i think are overrated by Jazzfans, and there are some players I think are underrated and overhated by Jazzfans. mY opinions cross color lines. I think lakerslapper is the one whose views are colored by prejudice, not me.

I would like to see less hate of all players, black and white and tan, even the ones who suck.

Careful, your biases are showing.


I read that he wanted us to like our entire team. You read somehow that he wants us to hate white players. In point of fact, he decried Jazz fans who hate 80% of their team.

Looking at other teams threads, they dont hate 80% of their team.

This implies he wants us to LIKE that 80% of our team, not hate the other 20%. Sure his biases are showing too, that he thinks we are all racist because we only like white players (nevermind the fact that we have railed very well against white players over the years: Ostertag, AK, Korver just to name a few), or rather he implies that the only reason anyone hates AJ is that he is black. That is faulty logic, but it sure doesn't support the leap you took in that assumption.

In no way did I read that he wants us to hate white players. That is still a very strange assumption and actually says a lot about your thought processes in regards to that particular issue.

 

[northeast]

I admit that I made a bit of an assumption, but log, I think you are wrong. The other poster resents it if Jazzfanz show praise for a white Jazz player. He would be happier if jazzfanz showed more hate for the white players to even things out. I could be wrong, but I think i am right.

 

[northeast]

I agree that Jazzfanz should be more supportive and less hateful in general, if that is really the other guys intent, than I agree with him. I just find it odd that this relatively civil discussion about AJ draws charges of racial bias. Yea, the fans here should treat all the players with more respect. I don't get why they go over the top with the personal attacks so often, but I don't see AJ being treated worse than others. Maybe I just didn't read all the posts carefully enough.

 

[vslice02]

Don't forget after Boozer's first season in Utah - he came back to training camp in phenomenal shape the following season (of course then he injured his hamstring and spent the first 49 games in a suit) but Booze was definitely in better condition in his strong playoff performance in 2006-07 than he was in 2004-05.

It's no secret Al wasn't in the shape he needed to be in last season, but being in shape will always make you a better player - physically and mentally. You don't always play as hard and you make alot more mental mistakes when you're fatigued. Not saying it's going to turn Al into a competent low-post passer, but IMO this is part of the progression we need to give Al a chance to attain before we immediately write him off.

 

[GVC]

Don't forget after Boozer's first season in Utah - he came back to training camp in phenomenal shape the following season (of course then he injured his hamstring and spent the first 49 games in a suit) but Booze was definitely in better condition in his strong playoff performance in 2006-07 than he was in 2004-05.

It's no secret Al wasn't in the shape he needed to be in last season, but being in shape will always make you a better player - physically and mentally. You don't always play as hard and you make alot more mental mistakes when you're fatigued. Not saying it's going to turn Al into a competent low-post passer, but IMO this is part of the progression we need to give Al a chance to attain before we immediately write him off.

Yep.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Don't forget after Boozer's first season in Utah - he came back to training camp in phenomenal shape the following season (of course then he injured his hamstring and spent the first 49 games in a suit) but Booze was definitely in better condition in his strong playoff performance in 2006-07 than he was in 2004-05.

It's no secret Al wasn't in the shape he needed to be in last season, but being in shape will always make you a better player - physically and mentally. You don't always play as hard and you make alot more mental mistakes when you're fatigued. Not saying it's going to turn Al into a competent low-post passer, but IMO this is part of the progression we need to give Al a chance to attain before we immediately write him off.

SAme thing happened with Okur. Although he played in all 82 games, I remember Sloan having to pull him at times due to fatigue. Next year he came back in much better shape.

With Jefferson, part of it was probably the altitude. Didn't he also put on weight last summer thinking that would help him be a more physical center? I thought he came to training camp about 15 pounds heavier than the previous season or something like that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Did you know that at 6.8% Big Al had the lowest turnover rate last year?

 

[orangello]

Don't forget after Boozer's first season in Utah - he came back to training camp in phenomenal shape the following season (of course then he injured his hamstring and spent the first 49 games in a suit) but Booze was definitely in better condition in his strong playoff performance in 2006-07 than he was in 2004-05.

It's no secret Al wasn't in the shape he needed to be in last season, but being in shape will always make you a better player - physically and mentally. You don't always play as hard and you make alot more mental mistakes when you're fatigued. Not saying it's going to turn Al into a competent low-post passer, but IMO this is part of the progression we need to give Al a chance to attain before we immediately write him off.

I hope that what you are saying comes true for Jefferson. I want him to be good, as long as it is good on both ends of the floor. My concern with this idea about him being in better shape for the upcoming season is that last year it was being reported that Jefferson was in the best shape of his career and look at teh Jefferson that we got. If that was the most physically fit Jefferson has ever been then I say no thanks to the futuer of Jefferson and the Jazz.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I hope that what you are saying comes true for Jefferson. I want him to be good, as long as it is good on both ends of the floor. My concern with this idea about him being in better shape for the upcoming season is that last year it was being reported that Jefferson was in the best shape of his career and look at teh Jefferson that we got. If that was the most physically fit Jefferson has ever been then I say no thanks to the futuer of Jefferson and the Jazz.

I'm interested in seeing the quote that Jefferson was in the best shape of his career last year because I don't remember it. He was coming off a major injury, remember? But even if it is accurate I really don't get your point. He hasn't realized his potential so far, so we don't want him?