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JazzyFresh said:
So how is this Trump's fault? This happened under Obama....
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dude, try to keep up. we are talking about whether or not Russia meddled and whether or not it influenced any voters.

Putin knew he had a guy he could manipulate to broaden Russian influence into us foreign policy and weaken his adversary. It was brilliant, frankly. And Putin won. He Made America Gimpy Again.
 
Furthermore, my belief is that the Repugs defrauded the election with their cross-check scheme that purged minority voters likely to vote Democrat -- see the work of Greg Palast who has been studying fraud in the U.S. elections for many years. The Dems committed fraud in the primaries and the Russian interference is disinformation on their part to cover their own fraud. Julian Assange is not a Russian agent and Seth Rich was the one who hacked the DNC. It is possible that he also was the hacker who called himself Guccifer, an alleged Romanian who released many private documents from the DNC. In fact, I downloaded those files myself. If anyone wants to see what was in them, PM me. I received them in April of 2016.

Just was reading about the new Senate Report that allegedly showed conclusive evidence of Soviet interference, probably what Thriller was referring to. I don't buy it; I don't buy a lot of stuff that comes from our government. Remember, both parties are deeply corrupted.
 
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silesian said:
dude, try to keep up. we are talking about whether or not Russia meddled and whether or not it influenced any voters.

Putin knew he had a guy he could manipulate to broaden Russian influence into us foreign policy and weaken his adversary. It was brilliant, frankly. And Putin won. He Made America Gimpy Again.
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That's a conspiracy. Nothing more. Nothing. As fishon would say a "boogieman".
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I totally agree with your point about Utah. As for Russian interference, I don't see much concrete evidence. The FB posts, DNC hacks (they didn't hurt Hillary in the primaries, though they did come late in the primaries, so that could be a reason), and the troll farms are supposition which don't have enough evidence to be make a conclusive judgment. They are all speculative.
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One of the most blatant ways Russia interfered, was the one I cited above. Oct 7, 2016 wasn't during the primary, but the general. Russia’s interference was felt throughout the primaries for both parties and the general. Even Ted Cruz was smothered with Russian fake news about having affairs with his staff prior to the Wisconsin primary.

so again, Russian interference was consistent throughout. It’s really impossible to say with confidence that it didn’t swing the election for Trump.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I totally agree with your point about Utah. As for Russian interference, I don't see much concrete evidence. The FB posts, DNC hacks (they didn't hurt Hillary in the primaries, though they did come late in the primaries, so that could be a reason), and the troll farms are supposition which don't have enough evidence to be make a conclusive judgment. They are all speculative.
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Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump won those states by by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Difference of about 80,000. So if 40,000 people were swayed by Putin to vote trump over HRC, his investment paid off.

This is unknowable of course. No one knows what information they consumed was from Putin or not, and even if they knew they would never admit that it may have swayed their vote.
 
silesian said:
Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump won those states by by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Difference of about 80,000. So if 40,000 people were swayed by Putin to vote trump over HRC, his investment paid off.


The Thriller said:
so again, Russian interference was consistent throughout. It’s really impossible to say with confidence that it didn’t swing the election for Trump.
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So it's nothing more than a theory...
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Actually screw that. The origination of Russia meddling has everything to do with this. Why it was allowed is a very very huge equation as to why it happened.
 
You guys can't answer it. You know as a fact that this all leads to one guy who failed to protect our elections. This was an Obama failure. That is very consistent with the conversation at hand.
 
Prediction:

The justification for arguments of Tulsi Gabbard as a Russian asset has undermined any progress believed to be made in three years of Trump Russia coverage, at least with regard to impressionable voters (the ones they’re targeting). The choir is unphased, as the high fives show. In essence, doubling down on bad assessments and 2020 will again leave them dumbfounded, and as surprised as the pigeon who met Randy Johnson’s fastball.

But don’t worry; we’ll be able to collude with each other to get four more years of new Trump-Russia theory to cover for why Democrats couldn’t put together a campaign to defeat Trump not once, but twice.
 
One of the issues that no one here is considering is the cross-check scheme created by the Repugs which is concrete evidence of interference and can concretely show influence in the eventual tallies that determined the election. I would have to go back to get the details, but the social media claims are only speculation and not concrete. I still say that using Russians as the bogeyman are diverting attention away from our own fraud created by our own political parties. That is much more damaging to the control over our electorate than Russian interference; that is, our democracy is being destroyed from within. SC decisions like Citizens United and McCarron-McConnell are contributing factors.
 
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infection said:
Prediction:

The justification for arguments of Tulsi Gabbard as a Russian asset has undermined any progress believed to be made in three years of Trump Russia coverage, at least with regard to impressionable voters (the ones they’re targeting). The choir is unphased, as the high fives show. In essence, doubling down on bad assessments and 2020 will again leave them dumbfounded, and as surprised as the pigeon who met Randy Johnson’s fastball.

But don’t worry; we’ll be able to collude with each other to get four more years of new Trump-Russia theory to cover for why Democrats couldn’t put together a campaign to defeat Trump not once, but twice.
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Tulsi as a Russian agent is bs and a scheme to thwart Progressives.
 
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