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Red said:
Don't take extreme reactions, and with a broad brush, apply them as something all Trump opponents subscribe to. The legitimate comparison of Trump to Hitler begins with the simple fact that both were demagogues. Demagogues recognize the fears, anxieties, and anger that exits in segments of the population, and then use scapegoats to provide a focus for that fear and anger.

It is precisely leaders like that, and such an approach by a leader represents the apex of cynicism, since it is using people's fears and anxieties to obtain and maintain power, that represent a danger to a democracy. Both these individuals appeal to the baser instincts in their followers. Leaders that rule through fear and appeal to baser instincts seldom do their respective societies much good. That is where one can make a good comparison, not by somehow saying the horrors of Nazi Germany will be repeated here.

The comparison is in the type of leadership, and the cynicism of the demagogue. If people overdraw the comparison, it is unfortunate, since it can lead to a complete misunderstanding of why and how such leaders can be legitimately compared.
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Good news and a good day for America. A good day for trump. You can hate the guy and still feel good when he/ we get it right. Special gratitude to the special forces who put their lives on the line and executed the mission. And to the Kurds who were by our side again.
 
Go figure.



I’m glad that human **** stain is dead. Kudos to our armed forces who were forced into a tough spot by Trump’s incompetence and did their jobs.
 
The Thriller said:
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This makes me wonder if Trump knew the raid was going to happen when it did, or if he really didn’t want to miss out on a round of golf.


Anyway, mad respect to Trump for ****ing up what should have been the easiest PR coup of his entire presidency.
 
I could care less if trump was golfing. Once the op was launched there were no potus decisions. Just celebrate the event.
 
silesian said:
I could care less if trump was golfing. Once the op was launched there were no potus decisions. Just celebrate the event.
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Sure, whether he was there or not doesn’t necessarily matter to the success of the mission. I’m not a big fan of Trump’s obvious lying about it though, and it’s fair game to criticize him for it.
 
Zombie said:
Sure, whether he was there or not doesn’t necessarily matter to the success of the mission. I’m not a big fan of Trump’s obvious lying about it though, and it’s fair game to criticize him for it.
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That’s fine. I’m looking big picture today and celebrating. He lies every time he speaks so that is just a day in the life.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Sorry man, there is absolutely no comparison. None. Zero,. Zilch. There is no broad brush here, it's meant to pin point and a cause fear. Statements like this are extremely dangerous. You are literally comparing Trump to a person responsible for killing 6+ million Jews. There's no comparison. This is nothing more than emotional overreach and fear mongering.

You're saying Trump is using fear and anxiety but it's you comparing Trump to Hitler. You may not realize it but by doing so, with no broad brush, you are also insinuating his followers are comparible to SS Nazis. Hell posters in this very thread called have me a Nazi, just to prove a point. Its uneducated, morally void, and downright lunacy.

Democrats every single day strike fear into it's constituents. From the day he put his name on the ballot box Democrats have a demographic that has screamed "RESIST", "NOT MY PRESIDENT", "IM MOVING TO CANADA" Every day I read people tweets from random source on how evil he is, then it's swept under the rug. Not all of it but a lot of it.

On the concept of fear, nothing is more scary than saying the world is going to end if we don't stop having babies. Now I'm no scientist and I can literally see the damage humans cause this Earth but we've been hearing this for almost a century. One day is the Ozone, the next it Global warming, in the 60's we were going to have ice, and now it's Climate change. I want to make it clear that I do believe humans are ruining this Earth but we've also been told the world is ending more than once. The Ozone layer scared the **** out of me when I would watch cartoons and be told were all going to burn.

I'm sorry "using people's fears and anxieties to obtain and maintain power". I live in Trump territory. These people are very good people. What are these people so afraid of? Wanting border protection? Wanting jobs? Wanting a strong economy? What these people are actually afraid of is a party that by it's own words will come to your door with police and take a constitutional right. A party that preaches socialism around every corner. Bernie for example called Warren a Capitalist like that's such a terrible thing(more fear mongering).

Hell, even Hillary has said that not excepting the results of an election are a threat to Democracy. Yet here we have people blaming Russia while also admitting they have no clue if it really effected the results. I quoted a poster yesterday who said this very thing. Now you have these same people screaming that Tulsi is an Russian agent.

Red, you're one of the more level headed posters here. I can admit sometimes I'm not. I respect you but I think you and your party need to take a long look in the mirror before calling anybody anything. Especially something as downright terrible as Hitler. Nobody is gassing, starving, torturing, and experimenting on anybody and in the near future will not. And I know that's not what you're saying, but that's is what Hitler did. He is one of the most evil people in the history of mankind. I'm sorry, there is no comparison.
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Sadly, in terms of understanding what I was saying, none of what you accuse me of here, was at all present in my reply to you. Indeed, I specifically ended that short comment by stating:

Red said:
The comparison is in the type of leadership, and the cynicism of the demagogue. If people overdraw the comparison, it is unfortunate, since it can lead to a complete misunderstanding of why and how such leaders can be legitimately compared.
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Instead of simply understanding that most demagogues draw from the same basic playbook, which is absolutely not the same thing as saying Trump=Hitler, you, yourself, overdrew the comparison, in your reply to me. I don't know why, I believe I was clear enough, but it's of no importance in the grand scheme of things. I'll just put it on myself for somehow failing in what I hoped would be a teaching moment. I could go on for a long time describing the conditions within a society that can render the appearance of a cynical demagogue most likely, but I do understand most are not interested in history or applying any of the social sciences to America 2019.
 
Red said:
Sadly, in terms of understanding what I was saying, none of what you accuse me of here, was at all present in my reply to you. Indeed, I specifically ended that short comment by stating:



Instead of simply understanding that most demagogues draw from the same basic playbook, which is absolutely not the same thing as saying Trump=Hitler, you, yourself, overdrew the comparison, in your reply to me. I don't know why, I believe I was clear enough, but it's of no importance in the grand scheme of things. I'll just put it on myself for somehow failing in what I hoped would be a teaching moment. I could go on for a long time describing the conditions within a society that can render the appearance of a cynical demagogue most likely, but I do understand most are not interested in history or applying any of the social sciences to America 2019.
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You compared Trump to Hitler.

Yes or no?

I understand where you're coming from but in my eyes you're still in the wrong. We could find similarities between Bernie and Hitler. Obama and Hitler. Hitler had forms of gun control, but it would be garbage for me to say the two go hand in hand and are comparible. Using the two in the same sentence is an absolute disservice to the genocide that led to world war and one of the darkest times in human history. Completely irresponsible no matter how you spin it. We'll agree to disagree. Its not comparable.
 
Red said:
Sadly, in terms of understanding what I was saying, none of what you accuse me of here, was at all present in my reply to you. Indeed, I specifically ended that short comment by stating:



Instead of simply understanding that most demagogues draw from the same basic playbook, which is absolutely not the same thing as saying Trump=Hitler, you, yourself, overdrew the comparison, in your reply to me. I don't know why, I believe I was clear enough, but it's of no importance in the grand scheme of things. I'll just put it on myself for somehow failing in what I hoped would be a teaching moment. I could go on for a long time describing the conditions within a society that can render the appearance of a cynical demagogue most likely, but I do understand most are not interested in history or applying any of the social sciences to America 2019.
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Here's my question

What are you trying to accomplish with your comparison? What is the point behind it? What does it accomplish?
 
It’s great that this terrorist was taken down.

But I resent the guy who’s trying to take the focus off our national security and use this to satisfy his own personal vanity

 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-game-5-of-world-series/ar-AAJs0zZ?li=BBnbfcL


He didn't want to throw out the first pitch, as every other President has. He knows he'd get booed to smithereens. Well, he got booed anyways.
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could he even throw the ball? Dead serious, the guy is the biggest fat *** we’ve had in office in 50+ years. The clumsy Gerald Ford looks like lebron james compared to Trump. Especially compared to 21st century presidents, who were very fit.
 
JazzyFresh said:
You compared Trump to Hitler.
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JazzyFresh said:
What are you trying to accomplish with your comparison? What is the point behind it? What does it accomplish?
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Was Hitler a demagogue? Absolutely.
Is Trump a demagogue? Absolutely.
Therefore, the two men can be compared based on their identification as demagogues.

I assume you will be unable to understand or appreciate any of this, since you have already demonstrated that. I am not so full of myself to suggest the "pearls before swine" analogy in this instance, as one poster suggested I should. Yet, clearly, it must be acknowledged that I am wasting my time and energy discussing this with you, so you can just go on missing the point altogether. I'll make this my last comment to you on this particular subject.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...8d8d9c-4109-11e9-a0d3-1210e58a94cf_story.html

"A textbook demagogue meets four tests. First, he identifies as a man of the masses, usually by attacking elites. Second, he creates great waves of passion. Third, he uses that passion for political benefit. Fourth, he tests or breaks established rules of governance. Taken together, this approach enables the demagogue to create a state within a state — a massive cult — that follows him alone.

Trump is the first demagogue to actually become president, but American history has seen a lot of them, whether the segregationist Alabama governor George Wallace, the Wisconsin senator and communist-chaser Joseph McCarthy, the Louisiana governor and senator Huey Long, or the Detroit “radio priest” Father Charles Coughlin. World history has seen Mussolini and Hitler and, more recently, Hugo Chávez in Venezuela and Alexander Lukashenko in Belarus."

See also: https://washingtonspectator.org/roberts-miller-deconstructing-trump/

"Hitler identified any person who disagreed with him as Jewish or “Jewified.” This strategy is pervasive in demagoguery. Demagoguery depends on the notion that everything can be reduced to “us” versus “them.” Therefore, the most threatening people to demagogues are any “us” who criticize the demagogue’s policies. So, as Burke noted, demagogues create a situation in which a person is either a) thoughtlessly committed to whatever the demagogue’s policy is at the moment or b) labeled a “them”—the “Jew” of the Hitler era or, in the present context, the RINO (Republican in Name Only), fake news, not a real American.

See also: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/10/25/suffocation-of-democracy/

"As a historian specializing in the Holocaust, Nazi Germany, and Europe in the era of the world wars, I have been repeatedly asked about the degree to which the current situation in the United States resembles the interwar period and the rise of fascism in Europe. I would note several troubling similarities and one important but equally troubling difference."
 
The Thriller said:
could he even throw the ball? Dead serious, the guy is the biggest fat *** we’ve had in office in 50+ years. The clumsy Gerald Ford looks like lebron james compared to Trump. Especially compared to 21st century presidents, who were very fit.
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The supposed clumsiness of Gerald Ford was over-played in the media, and immortalized more by Chevy Chase than anything Ford did.
 
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