The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[Getting Traded]

could he even throw the ball? Dead serious, the guy is the biggest fat *** we’ve had in office in 50+ years. The clumsy Gerald Ford looks like lebron james compared to Trump. Especially compared to 21st century presidents, who were very fit.

Ford, if you didn't know, was a college football star, played in the Rose Bowl. But I would definitely agree with your assessment of that fat pig Trump.

 

[Getting Traded]

Was Hitler a demagogue? Absolutely.

more recently, Hugo Chávez in Venezuela

Would you really categorize Chavez as a demogogue? I can't say I am an expert on Chavez, but perhaps the U.S. perspective of him is tainted because he was the leader of a socialist government, which actually raised the standard of living of the people there rather than oppressed them. Of course, our government has no concern for the welfare of the people of other nations if their government is antithetical to our goals and economic interests.

 

[Red]

Here's my question

What are you trying to accomplish with your comparison? What is the point behind it? What does it accomplish?

I'll just add this, since I quoted your above question in my last reply to you, but did not answer it in a direct manner. The founding fathers were quite concerned with the possibility of a demagogue ascending to the presidency. One might say demagogues are a type of political disease that can afflict democratic societies. You would not expect one in a monarchy, for instance, since monarchs do not run for their position in society, and do not have to use marketing to sell themselves. They do not have to devise cynical game plans to ascend to power. They're born into power.

The purpose, therefore, was to remind you that there are many styles of political leadership, and the demagogue is among the most dangerous, and something that should be avoided. Therefore, pointing out that Trump is a demagogue is useful information in understanding the situation that exists within our government at this time. And since we are dealing here with the very fundamentals of American governance, the fact that our founders were very concerned with the possibility of demagogues in our future, that fact alone should make one willing to address the question of whether Trump is just such a leader as something highly relevant.

Now, if you choose to say "Trump is not a demagogue", then, of course, the lesson is lost. If, on the other hand, you are able to recognize that he is a demagogue, but would prefer to compare his style to other demagogues altogether, since the leaders of fascism in the 20th century, as points of comparison with Trump, apparently greatly offends you, there are the American examples noted in my last comment. One should keep in mind, nonetheless, IMHO, the wise observation made by Timothy Snyder: "Post Truth is pre-Fascism".

 

[Red]

Would you really categorize Chavez as a demogogue? I can't say I am an expert on Chavez, but perhaps the U.S. perspective of him is tainted because he was the leader of a socialist government, which actually raised the standard of living of the people there rather than oppressed them. Of course, our government has no concern for the welfare of the people of other nations if their government is antithetical to our goals and economic interests.

That quote was from the article, of course, and not myself directly. I do not feel I know enough about Chavez to offer informed comment on that claim, or suggestion. The American examples, on the other hand, are spot-on good examples.

 

[Getting Traded]

That quote was from the article, of course, and not myself directly. I do not feel I know enough about Chavez to offer informed comment on that claim, or suggestion. The American examples, on the other hand, are spot-on good examples.

Yes, I'm no expert on him either, but what I've read is that he was a beloved leader who did much for the people there, perhaps a benevolent dictator, though that may be an incorrect characterization as I too am brainwashed by American propaganda. Certainly not hated as the majority of people feel about Trump. It's really sad that it has come to that in the U.S., the propaganda that is being proliferated and no matter how well-informed we might be, we all are influenced by it.

 

[Getting Traded]

Sorry man, there is absolutely no comparison. None. Zero,. Zilch. There is no broad brush here, it's meant to pin point and a cause fear. Statements like this are extremely dangerous. You are literally comparing Trump to a person responsible for killing 6+ million Jews. There's no comparison. This is nothing more than emotional overreach and fear mongering.

You're saying Trump is using fear and anxiety but it's you comparing Trump to Hitler. You may not realize it but by doing so, with no broad brush, you are also insinuating his followers are comparible to SS Nazis. Hell posters in this very thread called have me a Nazi, just to prove a point. Its uneducated, morally void, and downright lunacy.

Democrats every single day strike fear into it's constituents. From the day he put his name on the ballot box Democrats have a demographic that has screamed "RESIST", "NOT MY PRESIDENT", "IM MOVING TO CANADA" Every day I read people tweets from random source on how evil he is, then it's swept under the rug. Not all of it but a lot of it.

On the concept of fear, nothing is more scary than saying the world is going to end if we don't stop having babies. Now I'm no scientist and I can literally see the damage humans cause this Earth but we've been hearing this for almost a century. One day is the Ozone, the next it Global warming, in the 60's we were going to have ice, and now it's Climate change. I want to make it clear that I do believe humans are ruining this Earth but we've also been told the world is ending more than once. The Ozone layer scared the **** out of me when I would watch cartoons and be told were all going to burn.

I'm sorry "using people's fears and anxieties to obtain and maintain power". I live in Trump territory. These people are very good people. What are these people so afraid of? Wanting border protection? Wanting jobs? Wanting a strong economy? What these people are actually afraid of is a party that by it's own words will come to your door with police and take a constitutional right. A party that preaches socialism around every corner. Bernie for example called Warren a Capitalist like that's such a terrible thing(more fear mongering).

Hell, even Hillary has said that not excepting the results of an election are a threat to Democracy. Yet here we have people blaming Russia while also admitting they have no clue if it really effected the results. I quoted a poster yesterday who said this very thing. Now you have these same people screaming that Tulsi is an Russian agent.

Red, you're one of the more level headed posters here. I can admit sometimes I'm not. I respect you but I think you and your party need to take a long look in the mirror before calling anybody anything. Especially something as downright terrible as Hitler. Nobody is gassing, starving, torturing, and experimenting on anybody and in the near future will not. And I know that's not what you're saying, but that's is what Hitler did. He is one of the most evil people in the history of mankind. I'm sorry, there is no comparison.

I might call him Hitler-lite. He has had no compassion for immigrants fleeing oppression and dangerous situation in their countries and has denied them of human rights, separating thousands of families. He has no respect for the laws that govern his position. He incites violence against those who disagree with him or who are not white. He seems to revel in his autocracy and how he can use his position to enforce his ideas, much like the dictators he seems to be congenial with. The guy is evil, and there's no telling what he might do if he is able to gain more power. His narcissistic personality prevents him from using reason in dealing with many situations. He is certainly a demagogue and a threat to American democracy.

 

[JazzyFresh]

I'll just add this, since I quoted your above question in my last reply to you, but did not answer it in a direct manner. The founding fathers were quite concerned with the possibility of a demagogue ascending to the presidency. One might say demagogues are a type of political disease that can afflict democratic societies. You would not expect one in a monarchy, for instance, since monarchs do not run for their position in society, and do not have to use marketing to sell themselves. They do not have to devise cynical game plans to ascend to power. They're born into power.

The purpose, therefore, was to remind you that there are many styles of political leadership, and the demagogue is among the most dangerous, and something that should be avoided. Therefore, pointing out that Trump is a demagogue is useful information in understanding the situation that exists within our government at this time. And since we are dealing here with the very fundamentals of American governance, the fact that our founders were very concerned with the possibility of demagogues in our future, that fact alone should make one willing to address the question of whether Trump is just such a leader as something highly relevant.

Now, if you choose to say "Trump is not a demagogue", then, of course, the lesson is lost. If, on the other hand, you are able to recognize that he is a demagogue, but would prefer to compare his style to other demagogues altogether, since the leaders of fascism in the 20th century, as points of comparison with Trump, apparently greatly offends you, there are the American examples noted in my last comment. One should keep in mind, nonetheless, IMHO, the wise observation made by Timothy Snyder: "Post Truth is pre-Fascism".

We're not going agree as I think you're completely wrong on Trump being the only "demagogue" but I have no issue with you're thinking on this and I see where you're coming from. But... I feel you could've said this entire thing without bringing comparisons of Hitler. Forcing someone to buy healthcare could be viewed as communist but I'm not going to compare Obama to Stalin. Its absolutely ridiculous imo.

Its apple and oranges. I'm fine to agree to disagree though.

 

[JazzyFresh]

I might call him Hitler-lite. He has had no compassion for immigrants fleeing oppression and dangerous situation in their countries and has denied them of human rights, separating thousands of families. He has no respect for the laws that govern his position. He incites violence against those who disagree with him or who are not white. He seems to revel in his autocracy and how he can use his position to enforce his ideas, much like the dictators he seems to be congenial with. The guy is evil, and there's no telling what he might do if he is able to gain more power. His narcissistic personality prevents him from using reason in dealing with many situations. He is certainly a demagogue and a threat to American democracy.

Meh. We'll be fine, I promise. People said the same about that Radical Muslim Obama. It bat **** crazy in my eyes.

 

[Getting Traded]

We're not going agree as I think you're completely wrong on Trump being the only "demagogue" but I have no issue with you're thinking on this and I see where you're coming from. But... I feel you could've said this entire thing without bringing comparisons of Hitler. Forcing someone to buy healthcare could be viewed as communist but I'm not going to compare Obama to Stalin. Its absolutely ridiculous imo.

Its apple and oranges. I'm fine to agree to disagree though.

Not communist -- autocratic. There's a big difference. Read up on Marx and learn what communism really means. It's not what the right-wing jerks who use the term to attack someone.

 

[Getting Traded]

Meh. We'll be fine, I promise. People said the same about that Radical Muslim Obama. It bat **** crazy in my eyes.

Obama was not autocratic, but he was a tool of the establishment, no doubt about that. If you want to label centrist politicians autocratic, then you have a case.

 

[One Brow]

Forcing someone to buy healthcare could be viewed as communist ...

In our society, it is unethical (and currently illegal) for a medical practitioner to refuse to treat an ill patient. So, what is your solution for the people who do not buy insurance, and then get deathly and expensively ill? Do we refuse to treat them? Do they get a free ride off the backs of everyone else? Something else?

 

[JazzyFresh]

Not communist -- autocratic. There's a big difference. Read up on Marx and learn what communism really means. It's not what the right-wing jerks who use the term to attack someone.

Read up on Hitler. There's a big difference. Watch my video below and learn what Hitler really did. Its not calling for border control and going after fake news. Its not what alt left use to attack the President uneducatedly.

 

[JazzyFresh]

In our society, it is unethical (and currently illegal) for a medical practitioner to refuse to treat an ill patient. So, what is your solution for the people who do not buy insurance, and then get deathly and expensively ill? Do we refuse to treat them? Do they get a free ride off the backs of everyone else? Something else?

Not my problem. I pay for insurance and have since 16. I'm an adult. Now is our current system garbage? Yeah, especially for those with pre-existing conditions but personally I've had every means to buy affordable insurance. It's part of being an adult.

I'm healthy and take care of myself. I'm 1000% happy with my plan. Though it sucks I have to make up for free loaders, them having health insurance isn't my problem. Again, our current system is flawed no doubt so I understand some don't get the luxury I have. But I also understand a lot of people free load. Let them deal with the creditors.

 

[JazzyFresh]

People gave their lives to escape Nazi Germany. People gave their lives to come to Trumps(Hitler lite) America.

Something to think about.

 

[Getting Traded]

Read up on Hitler. There's a big difference. Watch my video below and learn what Hitler really did. Its not calling for border control and going after fake news. Its not what alt left use to attack the President uneducatedly.

Jazzy, I am an historian. I know what Hitler did. He was a bigot who hated anyone who wasn't Aryan and he took this hatred to the ultimate extremes. Trump is a bigot who hates anyone who isn't white (his history is replete with examples of this, or at least he treats them as inferior). Could his hatred lead to similar extremes? Apparently, he has no concerns about the children who are harmed by his policies. No one, him included, seemed to care about the ISIS children who were killed. He put the onus on their father. No, he has not elevated himself to the level of bigotry demonstrated by Hitler. But he is noxious just the same.

 

[The Thriller]

The supposed clumsiness of Gerald Ford was over-played in the media, and immortalized more by Chevy Chase than anything Ford did.

both can be true; Ford was Clumsy and Chase exaggerated it

 

[The Thriller]

Ford, if you didn't know, was a college football star, played in the Rose Bowl. But I would definitely agree with your assessment of that fat pig Trump.

I knew. Ford was also infamously clumsy. Nixon too. Nixon struggles just to pin medals on people.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Jazzy, I am an historian. I know what Hitler did. He was a bigot who hated anyone who wasn't Aryan and he took this hatred to the ultimate extremes. Trump is a bigot who hates anyone who isn't white (his history is replete with examples of this, or at least he treats them as inferior). Could his hatred lead to similar extremes? Apparently, he has no concerns about the children who are harmed by his policies. No one, him included, seemed to care about the ISIS children who were killed. He put the onus on their father. No, he has not elevated himself to the level of bigotry demonstrated by Hitler. But he is noxious just the same.

Disagree. I think his prison reform policies, his record for minority unemployment, his fight on poverty speak louder than your race card ********. I'm not a Trump fan but those are things happened. I think you(left) thrive off taking things out of context to spread fear and divide. Personally, I think the genocide of unborn black children, the push to drive father's out of homes, and the welfare state are far more racist. Hell, look at black Republicans and watch the way the plantation left calls them Uncle Toms for not conforming. Be a black Democrat or else!

And remember when Obama bombed a children's hospital? Should I liken him to Hitler? How many children will die if we continue this **** war in Syria?

What you are doing is gross. I'm not trying to be a jerk but if you know history you know what Hilter did. Trump may be a raging moron but what you are doing is lessening the impact and evils of what Hitler was.

 

[Getting Traded]

Disagree. I think his prison reform policies, his record for minority unemployment, his fight on poverty speak louder than your race card ********. I'm not a Trump fan but those are things happened. I think you(left) thrive off taking things out of context to spread fear and divide. Personally, I think the genocide of unborn black children, the push to drive father's out of homes, and the welfare state are far more racist. Hell, look at black Republicans and watch the way the plantation left calls them Uncle Toms for not conforming. Be a black Democrat or else!

And remember when Obama bombed a children's hospital? Should I liken him to Hitler? How many children will die if we continue this **** war in Syria?

What you are doing is gross. I'm not trying to be a jerk but if you know history you know what Hilter did. Trump may be a raging moron but what you are doing is lessening the impact and evils of what Hitler was.

What prison reform? Do you realize they are detaining immigrants in private prisons and we are subsidizing that at something like $50K per day per inmate, which is why they try to detain for longer periods.

Genocide of unborn black children ... oh, I see you're a fanatical religious right winger who wants to take control of women's bodies.

There's no push to drive fathers out of their home; there actually is a problem in the black community with that issue, which is self-inflicted. Creating jobs would help.

I don't see him pushing for higher minimum wages and he's taxing billionaires less than working stiffs. That sure isn't contributing to end the welfare state. He could create jobs to rebuild the infrastructure instead of lopping off a $ Trillion in tax cuts to the 1 percent (over 10 years). That could take a lot of people off welfare.

I don't give the Repugs credit for anything, and the Dems aren't much better, though they definitely are better.

 

[JazzyFresh]

What prison reform? Do you realize they are detaining immigrants in private prisons and we are subsidizing that at something like $50K per day per inmate, which is why they try to detain for longer periods.

Genocide of unborn black children ... oh, I see you're a fanatical religious right winger who wants to take control of women's bodies.

There's no push to drive fathers out of their home; there actually is a problem in the black community with that issue, which is self-inflicted. Creating jobs would help.

I don't see him pushing for higher minimum wages and he's taxing billionaire less the working stiffs. That sure isn't contributing to end the welfare state. He could create jobs to rebuild the infrastructure instead of lopping off a $ Trillion in tax cuts to the 1 percent (over 10 years). That could take a lot of people off welfare.

I don't give the Repugs credit for anything, and the Dems aren't much better, though they definitely are better.

Shucks I was just going to thank you for remaining civil but I should've known better.
Since CNN won't tell you let me educate you. Read up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html?outputType=amp
3,100 inmates to be released as Trump administration implements criminal justice reform


Here's my question, when Obama deported way more people than Trump where do you think he kept them? Holiday Inn?

I want black people to thrive. They will not thrive by population control. Disguise that as some stupid *** "you hate women" lunacy but its not. I'm agnostic but I do know some biology. People are sucking functionig brains, functioning nervous systems that feel pain, and beating hearts out of a vagina with a tube. Spare me with your holy ********. That's all I'll say on that. This is a subject I don't care to debate.

Jobs are at an all time high. More minorities are working now than ever. Is there a ton more to do? Yes but what he's doing surpasses any other President.