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fishonjazz said:
Ya I shouldn't have said Trump is the war mongerer. That's not true.
But you calling democrats war mongerers because they didn't want to leave our allies to be slaughtered isn't true either.

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People die in war, it's not our war to fight. America being over there has solved nothing and actually caused more damage than not. We can't save the world unfortunately. We got our resources at least.
 
JazzyFresh said:
As I said, I'm just curious what you guys are voting for or what the platform is. As of right now it seems everything is based off of fantasy. Not one of you can explain how we afford all this "free" stuff.
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If you were curious you'd look something up.

I think you mean "I just wanna start ****"
 
JazzyFresh said:
As I said, I'm just curious what you guys are voting for or what the platform is. As of right now it seems everything is based off of fantasy. Not one of you can explain how we afford all this "free" stuff.
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Maybe it isn't a voting for free stuff platform. Maybe it's voting for an intelligent candidate with fresh outside the box ideas who wants things to get better platform.

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This all goes back to my op of last night of certain poster belittling uneducated whites. I just want to know from educated Democrats what geniussness they offer that makes their vote any better.
 
JazzyFresh said:
I'm 1000% happy with my plan. A lot of people are.
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Would you be unhappy with Medicare? Why?

JazzyFresh said:
Its not my responsibility to fund others inability to act like an adult and get insurance.
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You already do. Medicare for All means you'll pay less to do so.

JazzyFresh said:
And yes she is lying. Middle Class will be taxed. She says we won't.
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If you treat health insurance premiums as if they are taxes, the middle class is already being taxed for them. So, no change there.
 
JazzyFresh said:
You all are making claims like "People are dumb enough they would rather spend more on private insurance than on government insurance" but you can't even explain how.
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You want us to explain how people are dumb (human nature is not my bailiwick), or how every single other Western democracy with public health services spends less per capita, with better health outcomes than us (that's just the hard data)?
 
JazzyFresh said:
I agree, that's why I was so surprised when Democrats took the warmongering route.
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Clinton and Obama were both more than happy to engage in and escalate military conflicts. There is very little difference between mainstream Rs and Ds there, which is why I occasionally refer to them collectively as the PWPBP (pro-war, probusiness party).

JazzyFresh said:
I agree with you and most and most Democrats did as well before they shot on their own values because they don't like Trump.
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Supporting military action is a shared value for Rs and Ds.
 
I'm still waiting for the Republican replacement for Obamacare.

Trump promised a plan that would cover everyone and cost less. When's that plan coming out? He's 3/4ths done and hasn't proposed such a plan yet. Why's that?

This 1 minute video is pretty hilarious seeing how critical Trumpers are of AOC, Warren, and Sanders

 
One Brow said:
Would you be unhappy with Medicare? Why?



You already do. Medicare for All means you'll pay less to do so.



If you treat health insurance premiums as if they are taxes, the middle class is already being taxed for them. So, no change there.
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Because I feel the wait could and would be much longer. Britian and Canada for example you can be waiting 19 weeks to see a doctor. Who now paying our doctors and with free healthcare and 300+ million(fixed from billion lol) people where do these doctors come from. I can see any doctor I want right now, will that exist under Warren's plan?

B) Thats why I'm simply asking for numbers. If I'm taxed 40+% like in Canada I'm paying far more. If I'm taxed 25% then ok. But I don't buy that. Most countries with this type of Medicare pay a ton.


C) so what happens when you don't need your premiums? You're paying them regardless under Medicare. What happens if I don't even need a doctor? I'm still getting taxed a bunch.
 
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The Thriller said:
I'm still waiting for the Republican replacement for Obamacare.

Trump promised a plan that would cover everyone and cost less. When's that plan coming out? He's 3/4ths done and hasn't proposed such a plan yet. Why's that?

This 1 minute video is pretty hilarious seeing how critical Trumpers are of AOC, Warren, and Sanders

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I agree. I do agree with his proposal to make pharmaceutical companies show their actual pricing. He's also talked about letting us get our drugs from cheaper sources. I do agree though.
 
One Brow said:
Clinton and Obama were both more than happy to engage in and escalate military conflicts. There is very little difference between mainstream Rs and Ds there, which is why I occasionally refer to them collectively as the PWPBP (pro-war, probusiness party).



Supporting military action is a shared value for Rs and Ds.
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Moreso by Republicans. Both Trump and Obama ran off of stopping endless wars though and only one of them has followed through.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Because I feel the wait could and would be much longer. Britian and Canada for example you can be waiting 19 weeks to see a doctor. Who now paying our doctors and with free healthcare and 300+ million(fixed from billion lol) people where do these doctors come from. I can see any doctor I want right now, will that exist under Warren's plan?

B) Thats why I'm simply asking for numbers. If I'm taxed 40+% like in Canada I'm paying far more. If I'm taxed 25% then ok. But I don't buy that. Most countries with this type of Medicare pay a ton.


C) so what happens when you don't need your premiums? You're paying them regardless under Medicare. What happens if I don't even need a doctor? I'm still getting taxed a bunch.
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300+ billion people?

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