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Archie Moses said:
To me, while I understand arguments against the EC, calling it a scam and making identity politics to push a racist, political agenda is ignorant af.

I mean, anyone who understands the US's history, and each inland state's history know that blanketing statements like, "they're majority white folk, therefore they're racist" is just ignorant.
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I mean, if you really want to talk about the EC and it's racist history, look no further than the populations of New York/Pennsylvania versus North and South Carolina in the 1780s, right?
 
One Brow said:
I mean, if you really want to talk about the EC and it's racist history, look no further than the populations of New York/Pennsylvania versus North and South Carolina in the 1780s, right?
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Because the 1780s are the 2020s, right?

It was racist then doesn't equate to it's racist now.

Gawd, I hate your question posts.
 
porcupinetree said:
Ok, I see this thrown about, but it makes no sense. Trump is threatening democracy? How?
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Refusing to submit agency heads for Senate approval, for a start. It's an impotant check on Presidential power. Instead, Trumps appoints someone new every year.

Trump loves dictators and the trappings of dictatorship, but I don't see him having enough power to change the election, or to stay in office if he loses. So, the real threat is that some of his habits will become the norm after he is gone.
 
One Brow said:
They were "shoved down" only in the sense that each of them out-polled all of their rivals. They were the best vote-getters America had to offer.
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I think the US population is smarter than that but there’s a great effort to steer the public opinion towards maintaining the status quo by promoting a heated debate between two corrupt sides, giving many the sense that supporting or opposing either is the only way to go.
 
Archie Moses said:
The way he talks to other members on the forum like he's the almighty know-it-all is beyond tiring. You banned dutch, but why not Triggered Thriller?
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The Thriller said he thought someones English was poor. After his not-pology, he gave a genuine apology and decided to take time off, to be a better poster. Do I really need to back to dutchjazzer's greatest hits to remind you why he was banned?
 
Zombie said:
No, she really didn't. Did you even read that? Saying that the EC gives more representational power to whites than it does minorities isn't at all the same as saying that rural whites are racist.
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Yeah, I'll give you that but going back to my original point she implies the EC is racist.
 
One Brow said:
The Thriller said he thought someones English was poor. After his not-pology, he gave a genuine apology and decided to take time off, to be a better poster. Do I really need to back to dutchjazzer's greatest hits to remind you why he was banned?
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Lol.

You defended one of those political clowns.
 
Archie Moses said:
Because the 1780s are the 2020s, right?

It was racist then doesn't equate to it's racist now.
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Archie Moses said:
Gawd, I hate your question posts.
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Well, let's take a look at what you linked to. Please agree or disagree with each point, and explain why (noting that since "scam" was in scare quotes, it's not an actual point):

  • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called the Electoral College "a scam" that undercounts voters of color in a series of Instagram Stories on Monday.
  • "Due to severe racial disparities in certain states, the electoral college effectively weighs white voters over voters of color, as opposed to a 'one person, one vote' system where all our voters are counted equally," she wrote.
  • She pointed to data, cited in a New York magazine story, that African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American voters are underrepresented by the Electoral College compared with white Americans.
  • This isn't the first time Ocasio-Cortez has pushed for eliminating the Electoral College. She made headlines last fall when she called to get rid of the system, describing it as a vestige of slavery.

Do the electoral college vote totals under represent people of color, overall? Is that because of the severe racial disparities in various states? Did she accurately cite the New York magazine story? Is not this system in fact a vestige of slavery?

Where is she wrong, beside the word in scare quotes?
 
Jazzta said:
I think the US population is smarter than that but there’s a great effort to steer the public opinion towards maintaining the status quo by promoting a heated debate between two corrupt sides, giving many the sense that supporting or opposing either is the only way to go.
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I really appreciate the compliment, but you are wrong. The US is a country where smart people are looked down upon unless they are rich. Our culture is anti-intellectual and anti-expertise (and I mean all across the political spectrum). We are not smarter than that, as a whole.
 
Zombie said:
Right, and she has a point. It's one you are free to disagree with, but it hardly makes her clueless about the EC.
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That's just bringing up one of the dumb things she's said about it.

She didn't know the three branches of government either so I hardly think of her as an expert on anything. She routinely tweets dumb, divisive **** too.

Not my cup of tea I guess.
 
Zombie said:
Healthy democracies include more than just elections. Abiding by the law while in office is important, acting in the publics interest is as well. Demonization and degradation of political opponents is something harmful to democracy that Trump engages in. Disregard for the truth and constant lying is another example of Trump behavior that is detrimental to democracy.
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Our "democracy" is still intact even if people break the law. If you think the president is a liar and a criminal, then there are ways to get a new president in there. Democracy is just fine.
And I don't accept your premise. I realize you hate Trump and will call him a liar and a criminal, but I completely disagree.
 
Archie Moses said:
That's just bringing up one of the dumb things she's said about it.

She didn't know the three branches of government either so I hardly think of her as an expert on anything. She routinely tweets dumb, divisive **** too.

Not my cup of tea I guess.
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Eliminating the EC has been bandied about for longer than I've been alive.
It takes a constitutional amendment. So far, the process to do it has never even been started.
AOC can bellow about it all she wants. Won't amount to anything. She's just one of over 400 House members. She has no real power.
 
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