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Archie Moses said:
That's just bringing up one of the dumb things she's said about it.

She didn't know the three branches of government either so I hardly think of her as an expert on anything. She routinely tweets dumb, divisive **** too.

Not my cup of tea I guess.
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The three branches thing was a pretty funny gaffe, I'll admit. But you still haven't provided any proof that the EC thing was dumb. I think you're mistaking things you disagree with with her being dumb, based on a lack of understanding of where she's coming from.

There's a narrative on the right that AOC is this incredibly stupid person, but the evidence for that is pretty wanting.

Out of curiosity, would you consider someone who graduates summa *** laude from an ivy league school as an intelligent person? I seem to remember you having similar beliefs regarding Ben Shapiro.
 
One Brow said:
Well, let's take a look at what you linked to. Please agree or disagree with each point, and explain why (noting that since "scam" was in scare quotes, it's not an actual point):

  • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called the Electoral College "a scam" that undercounts voters of color in a series of Instagram Stories on Monday.
  • "Due to severe racial disparities in certain states, the electoral college effectively weighs white voters over voters of color, as opposed to a 'one person, one vote' system where all our voters are counted equally," she wrote.
  • She pointed to data, cited in a New York magazine story, that African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American voters are underrepresented by the Electoral College compared with white Americans.
  • This isn't the first time Ocasio-Cortez has pushed for eliminating the Electoral College. She made headlines last fall when she called to get rid of the system, describing it as a vestige of slavery.

Do the electoral college vote totals under represent people of color, overall? Is that because of the severe racial disparities in various states? Did she accurately cite the New York magazine story? Is not this system in fact a vestige of slavery?

Where is she wrong, beside the word in scare quotes?
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Excuse me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EC protect us from the tyranny of the majority? Lol
 
Zombie said:
The three branches thing was a pretty funny gaffe, I'll admit. But you still haven't provided any proof that the EC thing was dumb. I think you're mistaking things you disagree with with her being dumb, based on a lack of understanding of where she's coming from.

There's a narrative on the right that AOC is this incredibly stupid person, but the evidence for that is pretty wanting.

Out of curiosity, would you consider someone who graduates summa *** laude from an ivy league school as an intelligent person? I seem to remember you having similar beliefs regarding Ben Shapiro.
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OC is not in the same ballpark if intelligence as Ben Shapiro and Shapiro says some pretty dumb partisan ****.

I don't think she's dumb compared to the average American. However, as someone with a voice, she spews a lot of garbage, things that are divisive and fake news.

She tweeted about making sure people got paid for daylight saving times. **** like that makes my laugh. Yeah, businesses owe money to their workers for hours not worked. Sounds real logical. What's next, businesses demand workers to work an extra hour in the spring?
 
Archie Moses said:
OC is not in the same ballpark if intelligence as Ben Shapiro and Shapiro says some pretty dumb partisan ****.

I don't think she's dumb compared to the average American. However, as someone with a voice, she spews a lot of garbage, things that are divisive and fake news.

She tweeted about making sure people got paid for daylight saving times. **** like that makes my laugh. Yeah, businesses owe money to their workers for hours not worked. Sounds real logical. What's next, businesses demand workers to work an extra hour in the spring?
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Her point about daylight savings was for hourly people who worked through the time change-that is worked 9 hours instead of 8- to double check their time cards and make sure their time was recorded correctly.

So yeah, I guess I can see how you could think she's stupid if you completely misunderstand what she says. This is the second example in a row of you calling her stupid for saying something you didn't understand.
 
Archie Moses said:
Excuse me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EC protect us from the tyranny of the majority? Lol
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That's not what it does and not what it was designed to do.

I've heard that in part it was a logistical thing before electronic communications existed, but I don't know that that really has anything to do with it.

What it does is take some power away from higher population states and gives it to lower population states.

That's a big reason why we have a House and a Senate. Smaller population states didn't want to join a union with larger population states if their power was only related to their populations. So Congressional representation is based on population but Senate representation is set at two per state. The EC votes are equal to the total number of Congressional representatives and Senators your state has. So it gives some extra power to lower population states. That is the purpose.

The question is if that is still beneficial to our society now?
 
Archie Moses said:
OC is not in the same ballpark if intelligence as Ben Shapiro and Shapiro says some pretty dumb partisan ****.

I don't think she's dumb compared to the average American. However, as someone with a voice, she spews a lot of garbage, things that are divisive and fake news.

She tweeted about making sure people got paid for daylight saving times. **** like that makes my laugh. Yeah, businesses owe money to their workers for hours not worked. Sounds real logical. What's next, businesses demand workers to work an extra hour in the spring?
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I worked the night shift during daylight savings. My normal 12.5hr shift became a 13.5hr shift. I have worked the night of daylight savings maybe around 10 times (some going to DST some the other way). The companies I have worked for have always paid for all hours worked, but it is often a question for people when they are working that shift for the first time. The companies I have worked for have also always paid the full 12hrs even when the shift is only 11.5 because we're moving the clocks forward, but I doubt they are obligated to do that.

I'm sure some smaller companies and especially companies that hire a lot of immigrants try to short their employees.
 
Gameface said:
I worked the night shift during daylight savings. My normal 12.5hr shift became a 13.5hr shift. I have worked the night of daylight savings maybe around 10 times (some going to DST some the other way). The companies I have worked for have always paid for all hours worked, but it is often a question for people when they are working that shift for the first time. The companies I have worked for have also always paid the full 12hrs even when the shift is only 11.5 because we're moving the clocks forward, but I doubt they are obligated to do that.

I'm sure some smaller companies and especially companies that hire a lot of immigrants try to short their employees.
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To each their own, but calling it "shorting" employees for an make belief hour worked is some entitlement complex I won't begin to understand.
 
Archie Moses said:
To each their own, but calling it "shorting" employees for an make belief hour worked is some entitlement complex I won't begin to understand.
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To each their own? Dude, if people worked the extra hour over daylight savings, they should get paid for it. That's not entitlement. AOC saying that people should ensure that they do get paid is a good *** thing to say. Very inoffensive at worst.

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Safetydan said:
To each their own? Dude, if people worked the extra hour over daylight savings, they should get paid for it. That's not entitlement. AOC saying that people should ensure that they do get paid is a good *** thing to say. Very inoffensive at worst.

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So, in other words, you think you should get paid and others too for an hour skipped?

Are you willing to work that extra hour and demand the same for hours when we go back an hour?

You're right though. It's not inoffensive at all. It's dumb and not logical.
 
Gameface said:
That's not what it does and not what it was designed to do.

I've heard that in part it was a logistical thing before electronic communications existed, but I don't know that that really has anything to do with it.

What it does is take some power away from higher population states and gives it to lower population states.

That's a big reason why we have a House and a Senate. Smaller population states didn't want to join a union with larger population states if their power was only related to their populations. So Congressional representation is based on population but Senate representation is set at two per state. The EC votes are equal to the total number of Congressional representatives and Senators your state has. So it gives some extra power to lower population states. That is the purpose.

The question is if that is still beneficial to our society now?
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Regarding the pre electronics communication part, one argument for it was that they didn't think they could trust the people to have a direct say in voting for president because there wasn't a way to keep them informed in a timely basis. This was in an era where delegates basically were selected by their states legislatures, not by popular vote.
 
Gameface said:
That's not what it does and not what it was designed to do.

I've heard that in part it was a logistical thing before electronic communications existed, but I don't know that that really has anything to do with it.

What it does is take some power away from higher population states and gives it to lower population states.

That's a big reason why we have a House and a Senate. Smaller population states didn't want to join a union with larger population states if their power was only related to their populations. So Congressional representation is based on population but Senate representation is set at two per state. The EC votes are equal to the total number of Congressional representatives and Senators your state has. So it gives some extra power to lower population states. That is the purpose.

The question is if that is still beneficial to our society now?
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You literally said no that's not what it does while explaining yes, that's what it does.
"What it does is take some power away from higher population states and gives it to lower population states."
 
Archie Moses said:
You literally said no that's not what it does while explaining yes, that's what it does.
"What it does is take some power away from higher population states and gives it to lower population states."
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Tyranny of the majority is different than states having different amounts of power...
 
Gameface said:
I read the link. I don't get what you're trying to say. On Nov. 3rd I worked a 13.5hr shift instead of a 12.5hr shift. But I still only worked from 6pm to 6:30am, which is 12.5hrs.

Some companies might not automatically catch that. That's exactly what she said.
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And there are times when I work the shift going to DST and not the one going out of DST and vice versa. So it's not an it'll all equal out kind of deal.
 
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