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Floater Problem....

NUMBERICA said:
I might let Conley take that shot sometimes since he’s had such success with it in the past but Donovan’s has always been **** and he just has so much more physical ability to do other things than to just take the exact shot the defense is hoping you take.
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It was understandable in year's past since we had really limited creators/options and you need to mix in a few of those... It's gone to a new level and it should be going down now that we have some options.

Again... its a couple extra dribbles or a couple extra kickouts… I think Conley needs to look to set guys up on the outside a bit more and hopefully it is contagious... DM is also better with the handoff action than the pick and roll, so a couple possessions could go that direction.
 
The floater should just be outlawed on the team unless there is less than 3 seconds on the clock.
Shooters take it because they don't think they can get to the rim. If that is the case, they should just Nash dribble out and look for a cutter or open shooter.
I also hate Donovan taking the long mid-range shot (unless 3 second on the clock). It is not efficient. Defenses have evolved to the point that you can't be a great player unless you take high level shots. You can be a fake good player, but your team will not win if you take bad (i.e., low efficiency shots). Donovan needs to be James Harden.
 
NUMBERICA said:
In no situation do I see a good defensive team doing that. That’s why it’s a bad shot.
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Conley was elite at that shot his entire career. If the D sees you hitting that sbot over and over again they are going to adjust positioning, all it takes is a few inches to open the passing lanes
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So we are taking the worst shot in basketball by design? Maybe you take a handful if this is the case but to have the top two guys in the league in floater attempts is a super ****** plan.
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I really hate when people frame any shot this way. Not all shots are created equal just because they come from the same relafive position. There are good floaters and bad floaters, it all depends on angle, balance, and speed.
 
The ones that really drive me nuts are when Donovan drives in and is surrounded by two or three defenders and he still forces up an off balance floater that has almost no chance of going in. If that many defenders are around you then somebody is open.
 
I'm ok with Conley taking them since he's historically been good at it and maybe they'll start to fall. I'd rather Donovan just take a normal pullup jumper. Conley's floaters are under control, and most of Donovan's are like eurostep off balance 15 foot shotput looking things.
 
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Jazzmix said:
If I am the opposite defense I will stay with Rudy and let them take that floaters all day long.
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Yep. It’s not like they’re missing them because defenders are stepping up and altering shots. They’re missing them because they’re tough ****ing shots.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Conley was elite at that shot his entire career. If the D sees you hitting that sbot over and over again they are going to adjust positioning, all it takes is a few inches to open the passing lanes
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I really hate when people frame any shot this way. Not all shots are created equal just because they come from the same relafive position. There are good floaters and bad floaters, it all depends on angle, balance, and speed.
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Conley has been the best in the league at it... had one season where we was 47% and another where he was 49% in floater range, but over his career he's at a little under 40%. So 40-45% I think would be a fair expectation. Even at that rate its not a great shot... returns a net of .8 or .9 points per shot... with little to no chance of getting fouled. I get that defenses may adjust in a given night if they see 4 or 5 go through the net... but most will trust the math. I get that you need a mix of shots and not all can be dunks, free throws, or three pointers.
 
Mike is shooting 33% on pull up threes... DM shooting 34-35%... Harden shoots 35% on it. Those are decent percentages and I'd take those shots over the floaters. I get that we want to setup the lob but I'm not sure it what we should build our whole offensive identity around.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Mike is shooting 33% on pull up threes... DM shooting 34-35%... Harden shoots 35% on it. Those are decent percentages and I'd take those shots over the floaters. I get that we want to setup the lob but I'm not sure it what we should build our whole offensive identity around.
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I agree. But if you want to keep Rudy happy...
 
themanknownassting said:
I agree. But if you want to keep Rudy happy...
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Win games... I get the argument he needs the ball at times... buuuuuttt we can't take a quarter of our shots in nba no man's land to setup a lob (it ain't working). Shoot the pullup three and more lanes open up... but Rudy in the dunkers spot and when the driving lanes open up he will get cleaner looks because the defenders will have to move further to contest.
 
For perspective Donovan is still 23 years old and in his 3rd NBA season. Asking him to be the best offensive player on a title contending team is a lot to ask.

However the floater is always a terrible shot, and I truly don’t get it at this point. It’s never going to result in good offense or consistent winning. Yet Donovan and Mike insist on making the worst shot the biggest part of their game. When the floaters cut down and the ball starts moving, the offense will bounce. If they continue shooting mid range shots and floaters, the results will be mixed and mostly bad.
 
Floater shots are problematic for a number of reasons. They are shots taken off balance, and thus many of them will not go into the basket.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm going to watch a little closer, but I'm not sure this is the case... If we dribble a little deeper though then it opens up the weakside threes. Again... I'm just not sure.

We also have to remember we have a perfect view when the guys with the ball likely only have a good view of half the court and are processing a lot of things in real-time.
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Good idea but not a real possibility with DM's driving style. You'll put him deeper in the trees.
 
checkbookdoc said:
The worst thing is that at least 50% of these floaters were taken with an open 3 pt shooter watching.
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See I'm just old-school enough to think you should only pass out to the open three if the defense collapses and you don't have the shot. Nothing wrong with the floater if you're making it regularly like Parker did and Conley used to. Problem is, for some reason, Conley has started thinking too much since he got here. Also, if Mitchell doesn't own the shot, he shouldn't be competing with Conley in that regard.
 
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