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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

idestroyedthetoilet said:
I suppose you are right. Being a Never Trumper is a being part of a crusade, which is distinctly different than a cause

Why attempt to bend definitions OB?
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I didn't. Did you want me to quote the definition of partisan for you? Being strongly against something/one, without being strongly for anything, could be a crusade, but it is not partisan.
 
I have often seen the question asked "what law has trump broken?" For those with that question here is the relevant info:
The founders of the United States feared presidents abusing their powers, so they included in the Constitution a process for removing one from office.
The president, under the Constitution, can be removed from office for "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
High crimes and misdemeanors have historically encompassed corruption and abuses of the public trust, as opposed to indictable violations of criminal statutes.

So, impeachable violations and crimes are not necessarily the same thing. Hope that helps those that think (incorrectly) that a crime has to be broken for impeachment to fairly take place.
 
sirkickyass said:
How old is NPC...?
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I dont know and Im sure he wont say truthfully (probably has some paranoia about putting any personal info online) but if i had to guess i would guess 32.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Thank you for this post because its a perfect example of how you are inconsistent in your morals, your standards, stances, etc..
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As a skeptic, it's important that I take such criticism seriously.

NPC D4617 said:
You have made it pretty clear that men and women are the same. There are no differences and they are perfectly interchangeable.
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I am very sure I think no such thing. Being a man is different from being a woman (and there are other categories). Being male is different from being female (and there are other categories). Many men are male, some are not; many women are female, some are not.

NPC D4617 said:
Women dont need help from men. Men need to stop controlling women and thinking that women need men to succeed.
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More strongly, women should not be prevented from succeeding by men, or patriarchy generally.

NPC D4617 said:
Well, you are coming in defending women and treating them like they are helpless. This is your toxic masculinity showing. This is your patriarchal old ways showing.
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Possibly. I've never denied that I am still sexist at my core, and that I have to work to be better, think better, live better.

However, I don't forwarding complaints by women is the same as treating them like they are helpless. Perhaps you could expand on that a bit more?

NPC D4617 said:
For what One Brow? To win the argument? Because this is highly contradictory to your previous stances in threads such as the transgender issue.
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I don't see how. In both cases, I'm trying to take women serious. Could you explain further what you mean?

NPC D4617 said:
If women and men are the same and its all the same then your emphasis on "Trump is devaluing women" is meaningless. Women can handle their own and can be treated the same as men. You have made no point when emphasizing its women he is talking about.
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Women aren't treated the same as men, regardless of whether they "can be". I made the point that Trump's apology was not sincere, which is all I aimed for.

NPC D4617 said:
Im sorry, but you and women cant have it both ways. You need to pick one.
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I'll pick, "Trump's apology was not sincere".
 
fishonjazz said:
I have often seen the question asked "what law has trump broken?" For those with that question here is the relevant info:
The founders of the United States feared presidents abusing their powers, so they included in the Constitution a process for removing one from office.
The president, under the Constitution, can be removed from office for "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
High crimes and misdemeanors have historically encompassed corruption and abuses of the public trust, as opposed to indictable violations of criminal statutes.

So, impeachable violations and crimes are not necessarily the same thing. Hope that helps those that think (incorrectly) that a crime has to be broken for impeachment to fairly take place.
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Presidents abusing their powers. Hmm... would you agree that Bush and Obama should have been impeached as well for declaring war without the approval from Congress? (this applies to Trump’s administration as well).
 
Jazzta said:
Presidents abusing their powers. Hmm... would you agree that Bush and Obama should have been impeached as well for declaring war without the approval from Congress? (this applies to Trump’s administration as well).
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They certainly could have been.
 
Jazzta said:
Presidents abusing their powers. Hmm... would you agree that Bush and Obama should have been impeached as well for declaring war without the approval from Congress? (this applies to Trump’s administration as well).
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possibly
I was certainly unhappy with the invasion of iraq. Not sure what war obama declared though.
 
fishonjazz said:
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I was certainly unhappy with the invasion of iraq. Not sure what war obama declared though.
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Declaring war or any form of military intervention, which would require declaring war: Libya or the continuation of military intervention in Afghanistan.
 
One Brow said:
I didn't. Did you want me to quote the definition of partisan for you? Being strongly against something/one, without being strongly for anything, could be a crusade, but it is not partisan.
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In other words, you think being strongly for the impeach Trump cause is not a cause. Sure. This is going nowhere.
 
One Brow said:
True. You just made a claim we didn't have good evidence, so I though you might have a picture of what good evidence would look like. Do you?
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A solid list would be greatly appreciated. Again, is there any of this so called evidence that you don't find credible? Because I'm tired of going through mounds of utter nonsense for the little tidbits like Holmes that build a circumstantial case. I like to think I have a somewhat reasonable attention span, but I gotta admit this stuff is making my eyes gloss over way more than not. I watched Anderson Cooper yesterday and the stuff he was going on and on about was the equivalent to acting shocked that water is wet. If you have a list that you believe is only the real stuff and excludes the fluff that we all know is nonsense then TYIA.
 
Oh man! Trump must be furious at Bill Barr! After all, Donald and his supporters claim that that he’s on a crusade to end corruption throughout the world! How corrupt is this?

 
The Thriller said:
Oh man! Trump must be furious at Bill Barr! After all, Donald and his supporters claim that that he’s on a crusade to end corruption throughout the world! How corrupt is this?

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Wtf does this have to do with anything?

Is there anything that won't trigger you?
 
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