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He fouls way less than TB... and he gets his money's worth every time.

I'm going to go ahead and say Len is our most realistic "maybe there is something there or he can catch lightening in a bottle" guy. He has a streaky three point shot... shot 50% one month this year... shot 40% after the AS break last year... which is the same as Baynes. He's a tall human who can still give us the offensive rebounding that TB gives.

This year, Len has produced offensive boards at about only 55% of the rate that Tony Bradley does (TB is also higher on D-boards). Len does some things better, of course, but this isn't something where he even approaches Bradley (For comparison, Vonleh's rebounding rate this year is just a little ahead of Len's).

I read a PeachtreeHoops article from September bemoaning Len's terrible hands. The most representative sign, they argued, was that Len frequently would just bat the ball back on the offensive boards, usually with very little touch, because while he could reach the ball with his size, he's learned that he often can't come away with it cleanly. There was also some dissatisfaction with his ability to catch/finish on the pick and roll. (Nevertheless, Len has improved his near-the-rim shooting percentages greatly this season, since that article was written, so maybe this critique is not as applicable as it once was.) The most amusing thing I found on PeachtreeHoops when looking around for thoughts about Len was a couple of commenters wishing they could have a young big like the Jazz's Tony Bradley.

btw, it could be argued that the Jazz NEED a high-rebounding center given their deficiencies on the board elsewhere throughout the roster. Maybe this was the primary reason the Jazz moved on from Udoh in favor of Davis this past off-season (Udoh only rebounds at 57% of Davis's rate for his career).
 
This year, Len has produced offensive boards at about only 55% of the rate that Tony Bradley does (TB is also higher on D-boards). Len does some things better, of course, but this isn't something where he even approaches Bradley (For comparison, Vonleh's rebounding rate this year is just a little ahead of Len's).

I read a PeachtreeHoops article from September bemoaning Len's terrible hands. The most representative sign, they argued, was that Len frequently would just bat the ball back on the offensive boards, usually with very little touch, because while he could reach the ball with his size, he's learned that he often can't come away with it cleanly. There was also some dissatisfaction with his ability to catch/finish on the pick and roll. (Nevertheless, Len has improved his near-the-rim shooting percentages greatly this season, since that article was written, so maybe this critique is not as applicable as it once was.) The most amusing thing I found on PeachtreeHoops when looking around for thoughts about Len was a couple of commenters wishing they could have a young big like the Jazz's Tony Bradley.

btw, it could be argued that the Jazz NEED a high-rebounding center given their deficiencies on the board elsewhere throughout the roster. Maybe this was the primary reason the Jazz moved on from Udoh in favor of Davis this past off-season (Udoh only rebounds at 57% of Davis's rate for his career).

That's interesting... I mean we have a few weeks to see what's there... if he sucks in the post season and we have to go centerless or back to Ed that might be an option as good as some of these other guys.

Let's see how he does in some of these important games.
 
This year, Len has produced offensive boards at about only 55% of the rate that Tony Bradley does (TB is also higher on D-boards). Len does some things better, of course, but this isn't something where he even approaches Bradley (For comparison, Vonleh's rebounding rate this year is just a little ahead of Len's).

I read a PeachtreeHoops article from September bemoaning Len's terrible hands. The most representative sign, they argued, was that Len frequently would just bat the ball back on the offensive boards, usually with very little touch, because while he could reach the ball with his size, he's learned that he often can't come away with it cleanly. There was also some dissatisfaction with his ability to catch/finish on the pick and roll. (Nevertheless, Len has improved his near-the-rim shooting percentages greatly this season, since that article was written, so maybe this critique is not as applicable as it once was.) The most amusing thing I found on PeachtreeHoops when looking around for thoughts about Len was a couple of commenters wishing they could have a young big like the Jazz's Tony Bradley.

btw, it could be argued that the Jazz NEED a high-rebounding center given their deficiencies on the board elsewhere throughout the roster. Maybe this was the primary reason the Jazz moved on from Udoh in favor of Davis this past off-season (Udoh only rebounds at 57% of Davis's rate for his career).

I think it is mainly because Udoh isn't really an NBA player and has no upside to become one.
 
I think it is mainly because Udoh isn't really an NBA player and has no upside to become one.
Udoh is an elite defender and had we not had Favors playing backup we would’ve been reminded of that.

He is not a good player on offense though.
 
If TB is this effective in the playoffs can you survive with him on the court for 10 minutes a game... does he create a mismatch with any team because they can't keep him off the glass?

His numbers are very Kanterish… if he can learn to be a mild deterrent at the rim without fouling all the time maybe he's our guy... Enes survived last year. IDK... we just can't have stints where he is super overwhelmed... that **** costs you games.
 
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In looking at the FA list and teams with space... next year's FA is going to be weird. Too much cap space with terrible teams... no real young free agents... Like I think Bogdon could get like 4/90ish from the Hawks or Cavs... gonna be a lot of deals like the Knicks handed out this offseason... big one year amounts for vets.

I think MLE will get you something... it will be weird though.
 
If TB is this effective in the playoffs can you survive with him on the court for 10 minutes a game... does he create a mismatch with any team because they can't keep him off the glass?

His numbers are very Kanterish… if he can learn to be a mild deterrent at the rim without fouling all the time maybe he's our guy... Enes survived last year. IDK... we just can't have stints where he is super overwhelmed... that **** costs you games.
Very debatable that Kanter survived last year. He definitely cost the Blazers a game. Probably even 2. There were many UGLY stretches.
 
Very debatable that Kanter survived last year. He definitely cost the Blazers a game. Probably even 2. There were many UGLY stretches.
He had to play too much though. I'm still waiting to see Morgan play backup center. His garbage time minutes are so disappointing... he is banished to the corner Dante Exum style.
 
He had to play too much though. I'm still waiting to see Morgan play backup center. His garbage time minutes are so disappointing... he is banished to the corner Dante Exum style.
I’m not sure why, but at this point I have no hope that Morgan is going to get a shot to prove something this year. Like, zero expectations on that.
 
I’m not sure why, but at this point I have no hope that Morgan is going to get a shot to prove something this year. Like, zero expectations on that.
Would need an injury at backup center to both Ed and Tony to play him at center. If Niang got hurt maybe he'd play some 4 and they could ask him to actually participate in the offense.
 
It’s very hard to understand the mindset of a jazz fan who wouldn’t take it as a good sign that Udoh was back on the team. Even if we made another deal and he ended up as the third string, that’s one hell of an insurance policy for a team that’s punching its ticket with defense.
 
It’s very hard to understand the mindset of a jazz fan who wouldn’t take it as a good sign that Udoh was back on the team. Even if we made another deal and he ended up as the third string, that’s one hell of an insurance policy for a team that’s punching its ticket with defense.

ARE we punching our ticket with defense? I like having a bench that is offensively potent. If we want to go back to last year's "ugly it up and hope they don't score" bench play, Davis is more than sufficient. The Jazz are one of the best at turning pennies into dimes and nickels and they dropped Udoh. They seem to know what they are doing.
 
I'm not saying Ekpe took the NBA by storm. He was MVP of the Euro League before we signed him.

It is clear that the Jazz are playing some sort of Moneyballl. I'd bet they already have a list of players they feel like fit, and will pursue those plays players if they become available .
 
ARE we punching our ticket with defense? I like having a bench that is offensively potent. If we want to go back to last year's "ugly it up and hope they don't score" bench play, Davis is more than sufficient. The Jazz are one of the best at turning pennies into dimes and nickels and they dropped Udoh. They seem to know what they are doing.
They clearly don’t hit it on every deal.
 
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