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Archie Moses

Archie Moses

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Holy piss monkey I tell you. Is the economy that bad right now or maybe I'm just a quimus/tardnuckle? 9 interviews down - zero job offers. (Well, I'm pretty sure I could have landed one of them. I was manipulated into going, thinking it was a great opportunity, only to find out it was a dead end job making Latrell Sprewell like $10 bucks an hour and when asked how interested I was in the job on a scale of 1 to 10 and responding by saying 3...errr.....at best, guy.) No kidding.


Seriously though, it seems like all the interviews are conducted piss poorly. They haven't looked over my resume, don't know my name, and ask pong mongling questions like, "Do you think you can do the job yes or no?"


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I also hate when they say, "Yeah, we will get back to you. Then your interview goes into some file of the unknown and they never have the professionalism even to deny my desperate chops with a phone call or email.

Oh wait, what's that you say? I can get a job making $80,000 to $150,000 dollars a year? You freaking slimy, sales people who want to hire people on as 1099 employee and offer them no benefits or compensation to travel around to their clients and have them sale $10 items and give them 10%. Yeah! Wooohoooooo!!!! Maybe I could be an insurance guy, because those desperate people (who put my desperation on a different level) call me from my resume on monster every week. Sorry Dave. Your boss wants me, bad.


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I'm gonna put my resume in at a fast food place sometime soon. Not that's there's anything wrong with that. I just thought after great job experiences, a degree (Yeah, UVU!!!! All the way!!!!!) and an internship I'd be able to pick where I'd like to work.

Just for kicks and smurfs, I applied to be a garbage man the other day for fun. The next day I received an email from Salt Lake County saying, "You don't have enough experience. Sorry." Did they call my mom and ask her if I took the trash out as a kid or something? hehepeepeecaca finding a job sucks right now people.


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OK, bye.
 
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Can a mod please put the "?" after building and not thread. I'm looking for a building, preferably a very tall one surrounded concrete and not a thread about buildings.


thanks,


Archie
 
I feel you man, it is scary, I have interviews in a few weeks. Any advice? The best I have heard so far is "It's not about measuring up, it's about finding the right fit." Anyway I hope I don't crap my pants as soon as I sit down... Even though that would be awful funny.
 
larryselbows said:
I feel you man, it is scary, I have interviews in a few weeks. Any advice? The best I have heard so far is "It's not about measuring up, it's about finding the right fit." Anyway I hope I don't crap my pants as soon as I sit down... Even though that would be awful funny.
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I did have a job interview today. With that being said, I'll probably be called in for a second or and a third and maybe a fourth interview only to be denied, again.

Why can't they just give you a few hours and decided in a few days if they would like to invest in you or not? Seriously, 4 or 5 interviews are way too much. It's like I'm a teacher again talking to the bishop about hand lotion problems.
 
Enjoy it. We all know when you do find a job, you'll most likely just bitch about said job once you're three months in.
 
Archie, if you don't mind what type of jobs/companies are you applying at?



Have you applied at Fidelity? I got a job offer there but I decided to pursue a second degree and couldn't swing both. They start you at 37,000 and you can move up fairly quick. I have a lot of friends there. I still may go back after I finish this degree because they will pay 90% of an MBA. Anyway just a thought.
 
I was unemployed for a year and a half. I worked for the census at about 1/3 of my previous salary just cuz it was more than unemployment, and it extended my unemployment some. Then I finally took a job here in reno at about 2/3 of my previous salary. It really sucks. I agree with you 100%. General Manager jobs, in the old days (like 4 years ago) would draw maybe 20 resumes max. I had a recruiter tell me he was sifting through 200 GM resumes for one job I applied for. At that point it is simply a lottery. Do they pick your out of the other 50 or so that look just like yours or not?

I feel for ya man. Keep at it. That is all you can do.
 
I conduct a lot of interviews, and I know I went to more than 50 while I was unemployed. My best advice for interviewees, be bold. Do your research. Know something about the company. Be prepared for the standard questions. I can tell you from experience that most interviewers make up their mind in the first 2 minutes, when they are asking the boring old questions (why do you want to work here, what do you know about our company, tell me about yourself). Those are the screening questions that can make or break the interview. Also, prepare yourself with some examples and stories in this format:

Situation - here is what I was facing or this was the problem or this was what was happening
What did you do - this is how I tackled that problem or situation ACTION WORDS - I developed, I wrote, I directed, I built, etc.
What were the results - I increased profitability by X%, or whatever

And keep these to 1 to 2 minutes max. Make it concise and fit the question.

I always ended interviews I went to with the following questions:

"Is there anything we discussed today, or anything about my background, that would keep you from recommending me for this job?"
"If so, would you share that with me?"

Then you fill in the blanks. If they say "yeah you just don't have the experience we are looking for", for example, it gives you a chance to sell yourself on another point to minimize that, and you know you got to their issue without having to guess.

"You just don't have enough experience in field sales."
"Let me tell you about a time that I had to develop my own sales plan, that involved working just like a field sales agent."

You get a chance to address their specific concern and leave them feeling like they don't have anything bad to say about you anymore. Doesn't get the response 100% of the time, but always worth throwing out there.

Then I end with:

"Now that I have answered your concerns, will you be recommending me for the job?"

This has gotten me to many second and third rounders and finally to an offer.

It's tough. Stick it out. Good luck.
 
I have to conduct interviews at my job for IT positions in my department. The number of experienced IT workers that are unemployed or under employed (e.g. contract workers) is downright staggering right now. I think many businesses over-hired heavily in the mid to late 90's in the IT field and you have a glut of people now out of work with 10-15 years of experience due to outsourcing and advanced technology. I feel sorry for the kids coming out of school that have to get in line behind these people.
 
I feel for you Archie. I truly do. Now let me play Devil's Advocate. You had the chance to pimp out your car for what would be $18,000/year. I'm assuming you didn't do that. You also, by admittance, have turned down one job offer at around $10/hour which could be accurate by I am assuming is slight hyperbole. Let's say it is $10/hour. The rough figure to find annual salary is to double the hourly wage so $10/hour is about $20K a year. So you could be making what is equivalent to about $38,000 a year right now. Nothing great. But certainly not bad in this economy in Utah. Heck, quite solid I would guess for a recent college graduate in that part of the country. Obviously these aren't long-term solutions. But they also don't prevent you from going out to interview to find the job that is. In short, people need to get a ****ing clue and swallow their pride. People act like they're above jobs. Sorry, but no one is. The bottom line doesn't care about anyone's resume or how much worth someone thinks they have. You've had two opportunities to make what is equivalent to $38,000 or so a year and you passed it up. No one else.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I conduct a lot of interviews, and I know I went to more than 50 while I was unemployed. My best advice for interviewees, be bold. Do your research. Know something about the company. Be prepared for the standard questions. I can tell you from experience that most interviewers make up their mind in the first 2 minutes, when they are asking the boring old questions (why do you want to work here, what do you know about our company, tell me about yourself). Those are the screening questions that can make or break the interview. Also, prepare yourself with some examples and stories in this format:

Situation - here is what I was facing or this was the problem or this was what was happening
What did you do - this is how I tackled that problem or situation ACTION WORDS - I developed, I wrote, I directed, I built, etc.
What were the results - I increased profitability by X%, or whatever

And keep these to 1 to 2 minutes max. Make it concise and fit the question.

I always ended interviews I went to with the following questions:

"Is there anything we discussed today, or anything about my background, that would keep you from recommending me for this job?"
"If so, would you share that with me?"

Then you fill in the blanks. If they say "yeah you just don't have the experience we are looking for", for example, it gives you a chance to sell yourself on another point to minimize that, and you know you got to their issue without having to guess.

"You just don't have enough experience in field sales."
"Let me tell you about a time that I had to develop my own sales plan, that involved working just like a field sales agent."

You get a chance to address their specific concern and leave them feeling like they don't have anything bad to say about you anymore. Doesn't get the response 100% of the time, but always worth throwing out there.

Then I end with:

"Now that I have answered your concerns, will you be recommending me for the job?"

This has gotten me to many second and third rounders and finally to an offer.

It's tough. Stick it out. Good luck.
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I didn't read all of this (skimmed it as I have to go get breakfast) but I agree. I was a headhunter for Robert Half and another firm for about four years. I also got every job I ever interviewed for but one. And you need to be bold. Confident. But definitely not cocky. Professionally aggressive I would call it. At the end of each interview, I would always ask if they had any other questions for me, anything at all that prohibited them from considering me. After their obvious answer ("No"), I would then end it with something like, "Okay, because I want the job..." with a little more. Again, don't say it in a cocky way. There is a very professional, sort of matter a fact way to say it. Tone of voice is crucial. But you need to make that point known. Because if it's between you and some other Joe Schmoe, you've left them remembering that you want the job, truly want the job.
 
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to LogGrad98 again."

I also do many many many interviews for my company/team and LogGrad's advice is spot on.
 
This thread makes me think I should probably quit perusing Jazzfanz and try to be more productive.... HAHA ya I know made me laugh to.

Anyway sorry Trout, I'm the last person to give advice as almost every job I've gotten I knew somebody that helped/recommended me for that position. I'm pretty sure I'm the worst interviewee in the world, as I look about as nervous as a hot girl in Salmo's class that just got asked to stay after class.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I conduct a lot of interviews, and I know I went to more than 50 while I was unemployed. My best advice for interviewees, be bold. Do your research. Know something about the company. Be prepared for the standard questions. I can tell you from experience that most interviewers make up their mind in the first 2 minutes, when they are asking the boring old questions (why do you want to work here, what do you know about our company, tell me about yourself). Those are the screening questions that can make or break the interview. Also, prepare yourself with some examples and stories in this format:

Situation - here is what I was facing or this was the problem or this was what was happening
What did you do - this is how I tackled that problem or situation ACTION WORDS - I developed, I wrote, I directed, I built, etc.
What were the results - I increased profitability by X%, or whatever

And keep these to 1 to 2 minutes max. Make it concise and fit the question.

I always ended interviews I went to with the following questions:

"Is there anything we discussed today, or anything about my background, that would keep you from recommending me for this job?"
"If so, would you share that with me?"

Then you fill in the blanks. If they say "yeah you just don't have the experience we are looking for", for example, it gives you a chance to sell yourself on another point to minimize that, and you know you got to their issue without having to guess.

"You just don't have enough experience in field sales."
"Let me tell you about a time that I had to develop my own sales plan, that involved working just like a field sales agent."

You get a chance to address their specific concern and leave them feeling like they don't have anything bad to say about you anymore. Doesn't get the response 100% of the time, but always worth throwing out there.

Then I end with:

"Now that I have answered your concerns, will you be recommending me for the job?"

This has gotten me to many second and third rounders and finally to an offer.

It's tough. Stick it out. Good luck.
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I worked for a company that did this interview process. It was ********. Well at least for that company. It was all about who you knew and who's *** you were willing to kiss if you wanted to be promoted. It was so much fun having a new supervisor who would give you false information and you would try to correct them even showing them company policy and they didn't want to listen. But hey, their big brother/sister/cousin/best friend was a manager that did the interview.
 
Archie, I can get you a job. It's for Xango. I'll sign you up and then when you sign some one else up, you'll get money and then when that person signs some one else up, you get even more money and so on. Plus, it cures cancer ya know.
 
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