2020 NBA trade deadline discussion

[jom2003]

Sprewell never wanted to be famous. He just wanted to play ball. He was rough around the edges, but he was absolutely phenomenal for the Knicks in their run to the Finals. That was one of my favorite teams to watch. Those guys played so much above their fighting weight all playoffs. So much heart and desire in that team.

He was an imperfect person, but the whole PJ thing ended up defining him. Kind of unfair really, but that's how it works sometimes.

For me, as long as a guy can ball I don't care what he does. A player can be the nicest guy you ever know but **** his pants whenever he touches a basketball. I still wouldn't want him on my team

 

[homeytennis]

When does summer league start?

 

[Miggs]

If/when we decline to waive NWG for someone on the buyout scrap heap, you’re going to see some guys surface with this argument, alleging that if DL & Co. didn’t see reason to waive him for one of those guys, then there’s obviously some magical genius to it, because there’s no way a GM of a professional sport gets that call wrong when going up against some guy on a message board from New Jersey. Unless we’re talking about some other team’s GM, then those guys can be outsmarted by Internet clowns, but not us. No. That’s silly.

Not gonna lie. No idea what your take is on all this.

 

[jom2003]

Ah. Defense may start from the outside and work itself in but it’s dependent on having a good defensive center for the most part, especially in a league where perimeter players can do pretty much whatever they want...and Bradley sucks.

Rockets and spurs small lineups killed us because they were designed to neutralize a good defensive center like Rudy by forcing him to guard out onto the perimeter knowing that our perimeter defender couldn't guard a chair.

 

[mellow]

BING -F********- O

It sounds nice, but the same could be said about most teams in the league. Portland is currently out of the playoffs, and at their best they can beat any team in the league, in any venue. Same with San Antonio, New Orleans, Phoenix and maybe Sacramento.

Jazz haven't beaten Denver or Lakers, at home or away.

 

[Miggs]

No freakin way I’m spending $1,000+ on airfare, playoff tix, etc for this Jazz team.

 

[Udidthizz]

I like him a lot. I’ve now decided to pin all my hopes on him being brought up and be the second coming of Zion.

 

[LoPo]

For me, as long as a guy can ball I don't care what he does. A player can be the nicest guy you ever know but **** his pants whenever he touches a basketball. I still wouldn't want him on my team

If we would have traded for Sprewell in the mid-90's, we would have won a title. He's the type guy we needed to beat MJ and company.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It sounds nice, but the same could be said about most teams in the league. Portland is currently out of the playoffs, and at their best they can beat any team in the league, in any venue. Same with San Antonio, New Orleans, Phoenix and maybe Sacramento.

Jazz haven't beaten Denver or Lakers, at home or away.

WE COULD beat those guys... maybe... like 1 out of 7/8 times... you don't make changes.

 

[SCS]

Our record against good teams is awful. We just played a team with a huge rest disadvantage, at home, and they had like 5 rotation players/starters out. Add to it that one of their starters had a historically bad shooting night... and yet we lost.

Last night was a lot of DM... it was just one game... but everything points to this team being a cute story first round exit. There was a reason we started the season with Joe on the bench... the current starting lineup makes less sense than two other potential versions of the starting lineup. Joe has no pick and roll partner in the second unit and Mike can't run pick and roll with Rudy... he sucks at it.

The best option is to bring Mike off the bench, which will hurt JC a bit, but you won't lose Joe/Rudy... Royce is a much better option with the starters... they need his defense and rebounding.

We likely win 50 games because we will beat bad opponents... but right now I'd be worried against any of the top 7 west teams. The theory behind us being a contender was we don't have the top end talent but the parts fit so well that we will be better than the sum of the parts and we will be great defensively too... neither of those things are true currently and the opposite is happening those guys work against each other now.

The team needed to reconfigure... it would have been ballsy so I get why we didn't do it. But to ignore our other warts (GM and coach) and just keep rolling with status quo is dumb. Need to try something new in the rotations or bring in some new options. Let's see what happens in the buyout market.

We can beat good teams. Don't be fooled by our record against them so far. A huge chunk of that record came at the start of the season when Quin was experimenting with nothing but iso offense and the offense completely sucked.

Then we let a few get away in this stretch where we've been in a funk that we had multiple opportunities to win despite not playing well.

Don't confuse haven't with can't.

We have a lot of chemistry stuff to figure out for sure. No question. But we're talented enough that it's more logical to believe that we eventually figure it out than it is to believe that we don't. We just have a lot of key pieces trying to adjust on the fly.

We're top 10 in offense and defense. That's a mark of a true contender. Historically teams don't win titles without being top 10 in both. And we haven't even played to our ceiling yet. Not even close.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I like him a lot. I’ve now decided to pin all my hopes on him being brought up and be the second coming of Zion.

If Brantley can hit one 3pt shot, grab 3 or 4 rebounds, and play some defense in 8-10 mins/night, he's worth putting on the floor.

He's not Zion, but he can be Paul Millsap.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We can beat good teams. Don't be fooled by our record against them so far. A huge chunk of that record came at the start of the season when Quin was experimenting with nothing but iso offense and the offense completely sucked.

Then we let a few get away in this stretch where we've been in a funk that we had multiple opportunities to win despite not playing well.

Don't confuse haven't with can't.

We have a lot of chemistry stuff to figure out for sure. No question. But we're talented enough that it's more logical to believe that we eventually figure it out than it is to believe that we don't. We just have a lot of key pieces trying to adjust on the fly.

We're top 10 in offense and defense. That's a mark of a true contender. Historically teams don't win titles without being top 10 in both. And we haven't even played to our ceiling yet. Not even close.

We can beat them... but don't be fooled by what actually happens when we play them? We've played good teams the last 5 games... that's not early in the schedule... the teams have had key injuries... we got beat 5 times.

We don't have to deal in the hypothetical anymore guys... we have actual data... Guess what is one of the biggest indicators that a team will have playoff success? Yup... their record against good teams.

Every team deals with chemistry stuff... every team has injuries... every team brings in new players... these aren't good enough excuses. Anyone that says we can beat any team is guessing.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

WE COULD beat those guys... maybe... like 1 out of 7/8 times... you don't make changes.

I like the Jazz's ability to gameplan for teams in an extended series. They don't really do that during the rs. However, the Jazz need real NBA athletes on the floor, or they're going to get run over by physical teams.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If Brantley can hit one 3pt shot, grab 3 or 4 rebounds, and play some defense in 8-10 mins/night, he's worth putting on the floor.

Niang's defense is an issue. We have two seasons of data on this now... it can't be pinned on just Jeff Green. We are 9 pts per 100 possessions worse on defense with him on the court... this year and last... we are 5 pts worse on offense this year... last year we were only slightly worse.

I've seen enough... Brantley doesn't even have to make his threes, just play defense, rebound, and bring energy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If Brantley isn't ready then we should bring in someone who is... or try Morgan out there... hell go full G League @homeytennis style and use them both with the second unit. JC just gonna dribble around and find shots anyway... put those guys out there and tell them to fight like mother ****ers if they want to stay with the team.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I like the Jazz's ability to gameplan for teams in an extended series. They don't really do that during the rs. However, the Jazz need real NBA athletes on the floor, or they're going to get run over by physical teams.

Why? because we beat OKC in a series before the NBA world knew how damaging his **** was... We beat a Clips team that ended up folding and didn't have Blake (we didn't have Rudy either), but that Jazz team was very good and complemented each other quite well.

Houston and GS deep dicked us... those were the "contenders"... I think Quin is good and will help us, but Carlisle, Stotts, vogel, Doc are no dummies either.

We in trouble.

 

[Udidthizz]

If Brantley can hit one 3pt shot, grab 3 or 4 rebounds, and play some defense in 8-10 mins/night, he's worth putting on the floor.

He's not Zion, but he can be Paul Millsap.

He has a very solid body and plenty of energy, which is something we could use. Guys are bouncing of him when he plays through contact. I guess the problem for now is learning his role on defense.

 

[sahlensguy]

BING -F********- O

To be fair, their "highs" weren't all that incredible. Came mostly against sub par teams.

 

[Jazzmix]

Why? because we beat OKC in a series before the NBA world knew how damaging his **** was... We beat a Clips team that ended up folding and didn't have Blake (we didn't have Rudy either), but that Jazz team was very good and complemented each other quite well.

Houston and GS deep dicked us... those were the "contenders"... I think Quin is good and will help us, but Carlisle, Stotts, vogel, Doc are no dummies either.

We in trouble.

Yes, last year we "figured out" how to play against Houston in the series. But we were already down two games at the time..

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Yes, last year we "figured out" how to play against Houston in the series. But we were already down two games at the time..

We had a difficult time scoring against their switching defense because we didnt have athletic players who could score one on one. Korver and Ingles basically got taken out of the series.