Utah Jazz 5 on 5 Roundtable
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Sounds like all the national guys don't see Kanter or Favors as potential superstars only as potential good players.
Thought that Fredette would have been a better fit than Burks.
Don't see any SF's on the roster. See Hayward, Burks and CJ Miles as SG's primarily.
I think it's too early to say for sure Favors won't be a superstar. The reason most are saying it is because of his personality. People love Griffin because of his personality. Also, I don't get the obsession with Eric Gordon.
I don't know about obsession with Gordon but if he was on the Jazz he might be their best all-around SG ever.
orangello
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If Eric Gordon was a rookie and had yet to play a game in the NBA people would be talking about his shooting ability and his lack of height for a SG. If the roles were reversed I am sure that people would be very skeptical about the Clippers as well.
My biggest problem was the comment by David Thorpe who I usually agree with:
David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: Fiction. I think Houston is a solid rebounding/defensive center away from 50-plus wins. (Can McHale get Hasheem Thabeet's awesome potential to that level?) And the Clips have the assets to do some interesting things, as does Minnesota (especially if it hires Adelman). My guess is Utah will enter full rebuilding mode sooner than most people expect.
Houston? Really? Minnesota? Really? The Rockets might be slightly better than the Jazz this year but in 2 years the Rockets will still be a lottery team and the Jazz will be fighting for a top 4 seed in the playoffs. Minnesota is just absurd. Adelman is a great coach but he struggled with HOuston becuase he had a lot of players with the same skill set. Doesn't that describe the T-Wolves as well? I don't see any scenario in which the T-Wolves will be better than the Jazz for at least 4 more years.
My biggest problem was the comment by David Thorpe who I usually agree with:
David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: Fiction. I think Houston is a solid rebounding/defensive center away from 50-plus wins. (Can McHale get Hasheem Thabeet's awesome potential to that level?) And the Clips have the assets to do some interesting things, as does Minnesota (especially if it hires Adelman). My guess is Utah will enter full rebuilding mode sooner than most people expect.
Houston? Really? Minnesota? Really? The Rockets might be slightly better than the Jazz this year but in 2 years the Rockets will still be a lottery team and the Jazz will be fighting for a top 4 seed in the playoffs. Minnesota is just absurd. Adelman is a great coach but he struggled with HOuston becuase he had a lot of players with the same skill set. Doesn't that describe the T-Wolves as well? I don't see any scenario in which the T-Wolves will be better than the Jazz for at least 4 more years.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Fixed.
NAOS
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People that doubt Favors need to watch more film. If you are evaluating potential, this guy is holding a royal flush. He has the potential to be better than Griffin, imo, but I'm not holding my breath on that.
Since I haven't said this for a while, here it goes: we are a Jefferson for Paul George trade away from being damn good.
Since I haven't said this for a while, here it goes: we are a Jefferson for Paul George trade away from being damn good.
orangello
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I would love that trade. It makes both teams better IMO. Jefferson next to Hibbert would be great and George with Hayward on the floor would be a lot of fun to watch. If only the Jazz could get Burks to be a high level PG. That would be great.
GVC
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Jazz become thin up front, and almost certainly would have to find a 5 who can play 20 minutes per until Favors and Kanter are ready for prime-time. If the Jazz are committed to playing Kanter and Favors through whatever growing pains they're bound to experience, I'd be all for that trade.It would be fun as hell to watch a lineup of Favors-Millsap-George-Hayward-Harris (the halfcourt offense would be iffy, but that lineup could run with any team in the league). Kanter-Evans-CJ-Burks-Watson isn't a bad second unit either (albeit a very small one).
orangello
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A Hayward/George/Favors/Kanter team sounds very good defesively as well. The defense that I have seen from Kanter in his most recent games makes me excited to see how Favors can add to that.
On a side not about Favors. If the Spurs would have traded to get him then everyone would be talking about how goos this kid will be in a few years. The same thing goes for Leonard over Burks. I like Leonard but he seem limited and if Burks works hard he can be head and shoulders the better player. I hate that anytime the Spurs get someone the rest of the league suddenly wants to label that player with loads of "potential".
On a side not about Favors. If the Spurs would have traded to get him then everyone would be talking about how goos this kid will be in a few years. The same thing goes for Leonard over Burks. I like Leonard but he seem limited and if Burks works hard he can be head and shoulders the better player. I hate that anytime the Spurs get someone the rest of the league suddenly wants to label that player with loads of "potential".
GVC
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Leonard has the dreaded giant hands. Like Rajon Rondo, it's going to be hard for him to find a consistent jumper. Joey Graham 2.0. The Jazz are much better off with Burks.
GVC
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Devin Harris was a lotto pick too, so they've received a no.5, two no.2's, and still have potentially another top 10 pick in a (purportedly) loaded draft. Quite a haul, especially if the Jazz were convinced DWill was on his way out.
Who's obsessed? And what don't you get? The 22.3 PPG on good percentages (49/36/83), the 4.5 APG, that he was in the same class as Griffin in adjusted +/- (.8 less than Griffin, and 5 better than the next best player), that he has no weakness to his game, he has a very nice physical profile (6' 3.5" is perfectly fine when you have a 6' 9" wingspan and are very athletic) and that he's only 22 years old?
I don't get what people aren't obsessed with either. Wait...
Fishsticks
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KOC is high on Favors and was the reason why the deal went down so quick. I always thought that we should have asked for at least few second rounders. I think Billy King felt as though he worked over the Jazz in this deal.