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Biden is still a very weak candidate, notwithstanding his performance in South Carolina. He'd be putting the "Blue No Matter Who" theory to a serious test.

Bloomberg appears to me to be the most competent Democratic candidate remaining. His problem is that he has almost no base and it's getting late in the process for him to build one.

It's pretty obvious that the Democratic establishment is all in to try to stop Bernie from getting a clear majority of delegates. If Bernie doesn't get the nomination though, he can threaten to run as an independent and that basically guarantees Trump will get re-elected. It'll be much worse than Ralph Nader peeling votes off of John Kerry in 2004. He's got some leverage.
 
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Catchall said:
Biden is still a very weak candidate, notwithstanding his performance in South Carolina. He'd be putting the "Blue No Matter Who" theory to a serious test.

Bloomberg appears to me to be the most competent Democratic candidate remaining. His problem is that he has almost no base and it's getting late in the process for him to build one.

It's pretty obvious that the Democratic establishment is all in to try to stop Bernie from getting a clear majority of delegates. If Bernie doesn't get the nomination though, he can threaten to run as an independent and that basically guarantees Trump will get re-elected. It'll be much worse than Ralph Nader peeling votes off of John Kerry in 2004. He's got some leverage.
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Bloomberg is a gigantic asshat. He's a Trump jr. imho.

It's really disappointing to me that it looks like Biden is going to be the nominee, but it will be perfectly easy for me to vote for him over Trump. I also think he doesn't live through his term or at least that he will not be able to complete his term due to medical issues. I think the same is true if Trump gets re-elected, I think his health will fail.

Sanders IS NOT going to **** things up by going independent. He's not going to be the guy that hands Trump another term.
 
silesian said:
Biden is Alive. If voters believe he is viable they will shift from Bloomberg, Pete and Amy to joe.

I’m predicting Biden wins Texas, Bernie wins Cali, and Super Tuesday decides nothing. Then, Moderates rally behind joe and Bernie is bridesmaid again.

Biden is next potus.
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you heard it here first
 
silesian said:
you heard it here first
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Biden is still weak. I get that he feels revitalized after South Carolina, but he finished 5th in New Hampshire behind both Warren and Klobuchar, and lost by 27 points in Nevada. Bernie should still come in well ahead of Biden in the final delegate tallies, and it's going to feel like a robbery if Bernie doesn't end up with the nomination.

Biden can't speak in complete sentences and he's going to get flayed if he goes up against Trump.
 
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Don't put it past him. In his rallies and in his ads, he's defying and denouncing the Democratic establishment to their faces.
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He has no love for the Democratic establishment but he knows that Trump puts our nation at risk every second he's in office. He's not going to be the guy to get him re-elected. He'd never win another race, including his senate seat if he did that.
 
Gameface said:
Bloomberg is a gigantic asshat. He's a Trump jr. imho.

It's really disappointing to me that it looks like Biden is going to be the nominee, but it will be perfectly easy for me to vote for him over Trump. I also think he doesn't live through his term or at least that he will not be able to complete his term due to medical issues. I think the same is true if Trump gets re-elected, I think his health will fail.

Sanders IS NOT going to **** things up by going independent. He's not going to be the guy that hands Trump another term.
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Unfortunately, I don't think Sanders would run Independent for fear that it would give the election to Trump.
 
silesian said:
you heard it here first
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And that's what Trump's been afraid of for the past year...

Red said:
I want the candidate with the best chance to beat Trump. And Trump, justified or not, thinks that candidate might be Biden. Maybe he would clobber Biden, I don't know. He is the incumbent, the economy seems to be on his side, and we can probably expect multiple state actors interfering this time around. So I suspect Trump will be tough to beat. We shall see....
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Catchall said:
Biden is still weak. I get that he feels revitalized after South Carolina, but he finished 5th in New Hampshire behind both Warren and Klobuchar, and lost by 27 points in Nevada. Bernie should still come in well ahead of Biden in the final delegate tallies, and it's going to feel like a robbery if Bernie doesn't end up with the nomination.

Biden can't speak in complete sentences and he's going to get flayed if he goes up against Trump.
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I really don't understand the idea that Joe Biden is "the electable one." He's always been a gaffe machine, but in the last few months that's been cranked up to eleven. Add the Hunter Biden nonsense, which will surely turn into Hillary's emails 2.0, and I just don't see it. His organization and ground game thus far has left a lot to be desired--he doesn't have anything like Bernie on that front.

But hey, the Dems went the uninspiring safe moderate with ginned up legal scandals route four years ago and that went great so what do I know.
 
Zombie said:
I really don't understand the idea that Joe Biden is "the electable one." He's always been a gaffe machine, but in the last few months that's been cranked up to eleven. Add the Hunter Biden nonsense, which will surely turn into Hillary's emails 2.0, and I just don't see it. His organization and ground game thus far has left a lot to be desired--he doesn't have anything like Bernie on that front.

But hey, the Dems went the uninspiring safe moderate with ginned up legal scandals route four years ago and that went great so what do I know.
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The democratic establishment are their own worst enemies.

**** it. Go Sanders! I know where my vote is going today.

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Catchall said:
Biden is still weak. I get that he feels revitalized after South Carolina, but he finished 5th in New Hampshire behind both Warren and Klobuchar, and lost by 27 points in Nevada. Bernie should still come in well ahead of Biden in the final delegate tallies, and it's going to feel like a robbery if Bernie doesn't end up with the nomination.

Biden can't speak in complete sentences and he's going to get flayed if he goes up against Trump.
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Biden won SC by almost 30 points.

He’s going to far exceed polls today and ride a wave of momentum to the nomination.

Trump has no advantage over Biden in complete and sensible sentences.
 
AverageJoe said:
What? Both things can be true. It is not mutually exclusive. Garbage take. Of course the US is a democracy. A representavie republic is just the structure of government. Im sure he is well aware of that as well. Dont you guys hang your hat on being a democracy?
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so many nimrods with the “not a democracy” take. It is a representative democracy, which is a type of democracy.
 
silesian said:
The HRC analogy is weak. She was polarizing and unlikeable. Joe taps into moderates.
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**** he hugs moderates and sniffs their hair.

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Democrats (the DNC) think playing it safe is putting out someone no one really likes too much. Like too much passion is dangerous.

They kneecapped Sanders in 2016 for Hillary Clinton... It was her turn. They owed her.

It's Biden's turn. He was a senator, he was VP, it's his turn to be President! Don't want to make waves at the next DNC inner circle-jerk. Give it to old man Biden. I mean this is his last chance, he'll probably be dead before the 2024 race gets serious.
 
Not sure why the Bernie folks on here are all bent out of shape. If Bernie and his ideas aren’t popular enough among Democrats to earn him the nomination over Biden in essentially a two man race, why do they think he’d do any better against Trump?
 
Zombie said:
I really don't understand the idea that Joe Biden is "the electable one." He's always been a gaffe machine, but in the last few months that's been cranked up to eleven. Add the Hunter Biden nonsense, which will surely turn into Hillary's emails 2.0, and I just don't see it. His organization and ground game thus far has left a lot to be desired--he doesn't have anything like Bernie on that front.

But hey, the Dems went the uninspiring safe moderate with ginned up legal scandals route four years ago and that went great so what do I know.
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And you think his gaffes combined with Burisma will be worse than Trump’s incessant comparing Bernie to Stalin and Kim? What about Bernie’s own shady deals? His wife for example. She’s a good kind for Team Trump.

What about his attacks on rule of law? He just said he will legalize marijuana and forgive drug crimes via executive order. That’s something I want done but I don’t want it done via executive order. So Very Trumpian.

If we are to appeal to women and Hispanics, how do you think it’ll play out when we are reminded of his support for guns and a time when he killed comprehensive immigration reform? This “scandal” is weak but you can see how it can be spun to hurt his appeal among a key demos:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/peter-schweizer-bernie-sanders-wife-campaign-money


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...migration-reform-in-2007-but-its-complicated/
 
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Catchall said:
Biden is still a very weak candidate, notwithstanding his performance in South Carolina. He'd be putting the "Blue No Matter Who" theory to a serious test.

Bloomberg appears to me to be the most competent Democratic candidate remaining. His problem is that he has almost no base and it's getting late in the process for him to build one.

It's pretty obvious that the Democratic establishment is all in to try to stop Bernie from getting a clear majority of delegates. If Bernie doesn't get the nomination though, he can threaten to run as an independent and that basically guarantees Trump will get re-elected. It'll be much worse than Ralph Nader peeling votes off of John Kerry in 2004. He's got some leverage.
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Ralph Nader was one of the greatest American public advocates of the 20th century and the first thing most folks think of when they mention his name is the 2000 election.

Do you really think Bernie will be comfortable with the legacy of being "the guy that handed Trump a second term"
 
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