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Catchall said:
Biden is still weak. I get that he feels revitalized after South Carolina, but he finished 5th in New Hampshire behind both Warren and Klobuchar, and lost by 27 points in Nevada. Bernie should still come in well ahead of Biden in the final delegate tallies, and it's going to feel like a robbery if Bernie doesn't end up with the nomination.

Biden can't speak in complete sentences and he's going to get flayed if he goes up against Trump.
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Really? Biden can't speak in complete sentences and so he's going to be flayed when he goes up against Trump? I know you consume a lot of right wing media, but Trump's inability to speak in complete sentences is far worse than Biden.
 
Again, if Sanders and his ideas are so popular among Democrats, he shouldn't have any problem winning this nomination. If he can't even win among Democrats, why in the world would we think he'd win in a general?

Seems to me that the panic in Bernie Bro land indicates a lack of conviction in their candidate.
 
The Thriller said:
Again, if Sanders and his ideas are so popular among Democrats, he shouldn't have any problem winning this nomination. If he can't even win among Democrats, why in the world would we think he'd win in a general?

Seems to me that the panic in Bernie Bro land indicates a lack of conviction in their candidate.
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Bernie has the potential to draw more people to the voting booth, Biden does not. I don’t understand how you can’t see this.
 
Jazzta said:
Bernie has the potential to draw more people to the voting booth, Biden does not. I don’t understand how you can’t see this.
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Correct....and draw people from the right places.

This is the problem for the democrats as I view it. Bernie is most popular in states that democrats desperately need to win in the general election.

If you go back and look at the 2016 primary Bernie destroyed Hillary in Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, New Hampshire and West Virginia. Hillary lost 3 of these 5 states in the general election. She BARELY won in Minnesota and New Hampshire - traditionally solid blue states.

Hillary built her delegates in 2016 by winning in a bunch of states that the democrats would either surely win or surely lose in the general election. That being deep blue states like NY or California or deep red states like South Carolina and Georgia where Bernie is incredibly unpopular (ironic being the programs he's most looking to expand or fortify would mostly help southern white people).

As I look at the polls this morning I'm getting a sinking feeling of deja vu.

North Carolina - Sanders + 8
Minnesota - Sanders + 5
Colorado - Sanders + 11
 
The Thriller said:
Again, if Sanders and his ideas are so popular among Democrats, he shouldn't have any problem winning this nomination. If he can't even win among Democrats, why in the world would we think he'd win in a general?

Seems to me that the panic in Bernie Bro land indicates a lack of conviction in their candidate.
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The problem, as I see it, is that we're almost certainly headed to a contested convention. I'm much more worried about getting to the convention with Bernie having a delegate lead and the DNC picking someone else, than I am about Biden winning outright.

I also expect the argument you are making here to mysteriously change when this happens.
 
The Thriller said:
Really? Biden can't speak in complete sentences and so he's going to be flayed when he goes up against Trump? I know you consume a lot of right wing media, but Trump's inability to speak in complete sentences is far worse than Biden.
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Trump will be able to take advantage of Biden's deteriorating mental state to much greater effect than vice versa. It's not going to matter that Trump is also an incoherent boob- if you really think otherwise you really haven't learned anything over the past four years.
 
Jazzta said:
Bernie has the potential to draw more people to the voting booth, Biden does not. I don’t understand how you can’t see this.
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I’d love for this potential to be realized. So far, it’s not happening. I’ll wait and see what happens tonight when the votes are counted, but by tomorrow, if all this potential is still not developing in terms of expanding the voter base, it’s okay to start being concerned.
 
The Thriller said:
What about his attacks on rule of law? He just said he will legalize marijuana and forgive drug crimes via executive order. That’s something I want done but I don’t want it done via executive order. So Very Trumpian.
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Lmao that you think this is a weakness.
 




You guys are hilarious to think that Trump won't destroy Biden in a debate.
 
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Despite his reputation for verbal gaffes, I think Biden would more than hold his own on a debate stage with Trump. I think he can give as good as he gets, and Trump knows it. There's a reason Trump went after Biden with the Ukraine business like he did. Trump has always felt Biden was his biggest threat. Sure, I'm older, I'm in Biden's demographic. If I was still a young revolutionary in my 20's, Sanders might be my hero. Eugene McCarthy was, back in the day. But I've felt from the start that Biden would have the best chance of beating Trump, and that's my reason numero uno for choosing a Democratic candidate: pick the person who has the best chance against Trump.
 
My feeling is that Bernie is more vulnerable than Biden as a) he's older and already suffered a slight heart attack on the campaign trail, and b) his politics are viewed as Socialist which is not necessarily bad in my view but carries a negative connotation for many. Biden's campaign rally in Texas last night was very inspiring with amazing speeches and endorsements from Kobuchar and O'Rourke. Very Evangelical and I think sincere. I'll vote for any of them to defeat the Evil Empire, but I believe Biden is more electable.
 
silesian said:
Biden won SC by almost 30 points.

He’s going to far exceed polls today and ride a wave of momentum to the nomination.

Trump has no advantage over Biden in complete and sensible sentences.
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We'll see. Bernie looks positioned to win in California, Texas and Massachusetts. Those would be big wins and would bolster his case. A fair number of votes were already cast through early voting, and both Warren and Bloomberg will take a bite out of Biden's returns. This is the first time that Bloomberg will have been on the ballot with his $400M worth of advertising behind him.

You're fooling yourself if you think Trump won't destroy Biden in a debate setting. Biden would need to avoid debates as much as he can.
 
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candrew said:
Ralph Nader was one of the greatest American public advocates of the 20th century and the first thing most folks think of when they mention his name is the 2000 election.

Do you really think Bernie will be comfortable with the legacy of being "the guy that handed Trump a second term"
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*2004

Bernie is 79 years old. This is his last run. He never stopped campaigning after 2016 and has been organizing for 5 years. He's still going to have a plurality of delegates and he's going to have his fervent base of supporters. You think he's going to just gracefully step aside for Joe Biden when he has more delegates than anyone else?
 
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