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RandyForRubio said:
Considering the population difference, why would total numbers matter?

For the love, can people start doing per capita? It's not difficult. I think Italy is around 5x higher than the USA in that regard.
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Right now the US is at just over 62 deaths per million people. By comparison, Italy is at 322 deaths per million.
 
Scat said:
It is not. I don't think Fauci has done anything remarkable and is possibly causing more fear than necessary.
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Thats fine but the reason why trump would fire him is the issue. See trump fires anyone and everyone who doesnt do and say exactly what he wants them to. Thats obviously bad.
 
Avery said:
Fauci is a voice of reason and good at what he does. Supporting yourself with simply 'yes' men doesn't effectively solve root causes.
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I like Fauci. I still worry he or the govt as a whole is mainly focusing on 1 part of the puzzle though. Total # of deaths. There are a lot more pieces at play here. Unemployment, economic collapse, suicides, small businesses being destroyed, etc ... just seems like all anyone is talking about is keeping the deaths as low as possible when there are so many more pieces of this pie that half to be addressed.
 
Beer said:
I like Fauci. I still worry he or the govt as a whole is mainly focusing on 1 part of the puzzle though. Total # of deaths. There are a lot more pieces at play here. Unemployment, economic collapse, suicides, small businesses being destroyed, etc ... just seems like all anyone is talking about is keeping the deaths as low as possible when there are so many more pieces of this pie that half to be addressed.
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Deaths is the only concern. And should be. You can’t have an economy with sick and dying workers and consumers. I don’t understand why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
 
Imagine the outrage from the right if President Clinton had appointed Chelsea and her husband to a pandemic task force. Then again, Jared has already solved the opioid crisis and created Middle East peace...

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The Thriller said:


Deaths is the only concern. And should be. You can’t have an economy with sick and dying workers and consumers. I don’t understand why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
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A good amount of deaths and hospitalizations are out of the workforce already. Social distancing, wearing masks, more remote work .... all good with all those things .... Crippling the entire economy has seemed unnecessary at best and idiotic at worst.
 
Beer said:
A good amount of deaths and hospitalizations are out of the workforce already. Social distancing, wearing masks, more remote work .... all good with all those things .... Crippling the entire economy has seemed unnecessary at best and idiotic at worst.
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The economy isn’t coming back to life with 30,000+ infected and 2,000+ dying every single day. Sick and dying people make poor workers and consumers.

We need far more widespread testing and/or better treatments before life returns to any semblance of normal.

Disagree? Go argue with state governors, health care specialists, and business leaders... And common sense. People aren’t just going to go back to their jobs because you think this has been overblown.
 
The Thriller said:
The economy isn’t coming back to life with 30,000+ infected and 2,000+ dying every single day. Sick and dying people make poor workers and consumers.

We need far more widespread testing and/or better treatments before life returns to any semblance of normal.

Disagree? Go argue with state governors, health care specialists, and business leaders... And common sense. People aren’t just going to go back to their jobs because you think this has been overblown.
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1,000% disagree with those numbers. In a country of 365 million, 30,000 infected and 2,000 deaths a day is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Other than sad families and doctors working extra hours that wouldn't effect the economy in the least sans the scare mongering going on. 30,000 sick and 2,000 dying a day was happening all day every day leading up to this already. It just wasn't labled COVID deaths.
 
Beer said:
1,000% disagree with those numbers. In a country of 365 million, 30,000 infected and 2,000 deaths a day is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Other than sad families and doctors working extra hours that wouldn't effect the economy in the least sans the scare mongering going on. 30,000 sick and 2,000 dying a day was happening all day every day leading up to this already. It just wasn't labled COVID deaths.
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Nah, an increase of over 700,000 deaths in year isn't nothing in the grand scheme of things. That's roughly a 25% increase in people dying, from a single cause. And that's the floor, that's what we're seeing now before our health care system and other essential services are totally overwhelmed.

Imagine a scenario where a group of people randomly goes out and kills 2000 people a day, but they shoot and injure many times that as well, often targeting entire families or workplaces. There's no conceivable universe in which people go about their days as normal under those circumstances. We wouldn't be throwing our hands up and saying nothing can be done, and really, what's 2000 people a day in a country of 300 million?
 
Zombie said:
Nah, an increase of over 700,000 deaths in year isn't nothing in the grand scheme of things. That's roughly a 25% increase in people dying, from a single cause. And that's the floor, that's what we're seeing now before our health care system and other essential services are totally overwhelmed.

Imagine a scenario where a group of people randomly goes out and kills 2000 people a day, but they shoot and injure many times that as well, often targeting entire families or workplaces. There's no conceivable universe in which people go about their days as normal under those circumstances. We wouldn't be throwing our hands up and saying nothing can be done, and really, what's 2000 people a day in a country of 300 million?
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700,000 deaths is the floor? lol. Might as well stop right now because we are living on different planets.
 
Beer said:
700,000 deaths is the floor? lol. Might as well stop right now because we are living on different planets.
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I mean, this is the reality we're in now after taking steps to mitigate, continuing these steps will lower it of course, but absent those steps you're kidding yourself if you don't think that number would be higher.
 
Zombie said:
I mean, this is the reality we're in now after taking steps to mitigate, continuing these steps will lower it of course, but absent those steps you're kidding yourself if you don't think that number would be higher.
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Yes agreed, would for sure be higher, but I do not believe for one second we'd hit anywhere close to the projections unless we went back to the stone ages, and a majority of the population we weren't able to work from home, wash their hands, use hand sanitizer, obtain face masks etc ..... I think it seems borderline fact that COVID is no where near as dangerous as everyone first thought.
 
Beer said:
Yes agreed, would for sure be higher, but I do not believe for one second we'd hit anywhere close to the projections unless we went back to the stone ages, and a majority of the population we weren't able to work from home, wash their hands, use hand sanitizer, obtain face masks etc ..... I think it seems borderline fact that COVID is no where near as dangerous as everyone first thought.
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I disagree, from what I've seen the problems in the models were not based on mistakes surrounding the infectiousness or deadliness of the virus, but about how quickly and thoroughly social distancing would slow it down. Once we got data from the steps taken in Europe the models were updated to give a more accurate picture of how well we can expect such measures to work.

But even if you take 700k as the worst it would possibly have gotten, that's an incredible toll on human life.
 
Zombie said:
I disagree, from what I've seen the problems in the models were not based on mistakes surrounding the infectiousness or deadlines of the virus, but about how quickly and thoroughly social distancing would slow it down. Once we got data from the steps taken in Europe the models were updated to give a more accurate picture of how well we can expect such measures to work.

But even if you take 700k as the worst it would possibly have gotten, that's an incredible toll on human life.
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Yeah, 700k would be awful, but we aren't, and won't, and never were on track for that. And I'm not saying nothing should have been done, I'm saying we took things way too far. Old and sick should have quarantined themselves, masks should be mandatory, hand washing and hand sanitizing should be drilled into everyones heads on every radio and tv commercial, there should be large teams sanitizing the cities hand rails, public transit, etc ..... non stop. Shutting down the entire world is nonsensical and will cause way more harm than more deaths would.
 
Beer said:
Yeah, 700k would be awful, but we aren't, and won't, and never were on track for that. And I'm not saying nothing should have been done, I'm saying we took things way too far. Old and sick should have quarantined themselves, masks should be mandatory, hand washing and hand sanitizing should be drilled into everyones heads on every radio and tv commercial, there should be large teams sanitizing the cities hand rails, public transit, etc ..... non stop. Shutting down the entire world is nonsensical and will cause way more harm than more deaths would.
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I don't understand how you can say we weren't on track for that when we saw that this last week. Do you think it would have just petered out on its own? I mean handwashing and sanitizers are all well and good, but that's not a mitigation strategy.
 
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