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Holy Sloppy, Managed Poorly, No Homework Done, Questions From the Trash - Where's a Building? Thread

TroutBum said:
Ya, because sitting on your *** at home, collecting unemployment and/or Reservation monies is such a better option. Gods damn it, this is what is wrong with this country today. Quit being so damn proud and get your *** out there and get a mother ****ing job, you lazy pieces of ****. People who bitch about not being able to find a job make me want to wretch. There are plenty of jobs available that will hire you tomorrow, but you're too damn lazy and proud to go out and do them.
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Trout, it's nothing to do with being proud. I mean, why take a job when you and your employer know that you'll have one foot in the door and one foot out of the door? It's not fair to them (hiring and retaining is very expensive) and it's not fair to the employee. Why sell yourself short? I mean, I actually have been doing odd jobs for the past few months (mostly recreational stuff like reffing, umpiring, site supervising) and I've even had interviews for jobs that I was way too qualified for only to be denied because of what I said previously. I could go flip burgers and trust me I would if my situation required it, but it doesn't. We're not in any debt, we both manage our money very well and we've made some smart choices that will take care of us for a while even if I wasn't able to find a job.


With all that being said, I got the job I interviewed for yesterday and I start on Monday. It's about flipping time cause I worked my *** off for about 4 hours a day applying for jobs and I went to 15 interviews. I finally landed the job in the one interview I didn't actually say "hehepeepeecaca."
 
Archie Moses said:
Trout, it's nothing to do with being proud. I mean, why take a job when you and your employer know that you'll have one foot in the door and one foot out of the door? It's not fair to them (hiring and retaining is very expensive) and it's not fair to the employee. Why sell yourself short? I mean, I actually have been doing odd jobs for the past few months (mostly recreational stuff like reffing, umpiring, site supervising) and I've even had interviews for jobs that I was way too qualified for only to be denied because of what I said previously. I could go flip burgers and trust me I would if my situation required it, but it doesn't. We're not in any debt, we both manage our money very well and we've made some smart choices that will take care of us for a while even if I wasn't able to find a job.


With all that being said, I got the job I interviewed for yesterday and I start on Monday. It's about flipping time cause I worked my *** off for about 4 hours a day applying for jobs and I went to 15 interviews. I finally landed the job in the one interview I didn't actually say "hehepeepeecaca."
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What kind of job is it?
 
Beantown said:
Sorry we cant all be insurance salesman.

More people lose money when they do door to door then make money. Not to mention they don't give you any health benefits which him having a baby is must. Also Archie is a recent college graduate. Maybe he has school loans where a job making less than 30,000 or something wont cut it.

Sure lots of companies will hire him for peanuts. But even if he worked there he would still qualify for welfare.
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I'm not sure if you're deaf, dumb and/or blind but what in the holy ****ing hell are you talking about? Insurance salesman or working at Target, what does it matter? Many people, including Archie, have passed up jobs because they feel it's below them. That's ****ing lame. You mention health benefits and how 30K might not cut it. Well, right now, he has zero health benefits and zero income. I'm assuming since he's a recent college grad, he also doesn't qualify or therefore collect unemployment. How's that working out for him?

It's pretty ****ing simple really. Apply for as many ****ing jobs as possible. For those for which you are called, interview. Select one that pays. $10/hour at 40 hours a week is about 20K annually. Now if you want to pass that up for a little while thinking you'll get something better, more power to you. But at some point, you need a job and will have to accept a job like that. Is the salary ****ty? Yes. But it's 20K more than sitting around your house and crossing your fingers, hoping that the next day will bring something better. If you still don't want that, don't come crying to a message board. Taking this ****ty job that pays him 20K more than the $0 he's making doesn't prohibit him from getting the job for which he got his education. The one which will hopefully have the health benefits and better salary you mentioned. Not taking the job does however prohibit him from providing for himself, his wife, and at some point, his newborn. Groceries, rent/mortgage, utility bills. These things cost money. Lots of money in many cases. And without at least that stop-gap 20K job to help him and his wife get by month to month, before he gets the job for which he feels he's better suited and qualified, he could be ****ed.
 
SalmonHobo said:
I'm not sure if you're deaf, dumb and/or blind but what in the holy ****ing hell are you talking about? Insurance salesman or working at Target, what does it matter? Many people, including Archie, have passed up jobs because they feel it's below them. That's ****ing lame. You mention health benefits and how 30K might not cut it. Well, right now, he has zero health benefits and zero income. I'm assuming since he's a recent college grad, he also doesn't qualify or therefore collect unemployment. How's that working out for him?
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This is a joke and you clearly don't know my situation, guy.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Let's see, while I was unemployed looking for a job I still had to provide for a family of 6. I did not want my relatives to have to carry that burden. My job search was extensive, I spent minimum 7-9 hours per day, 5-6 days per week, researching companies, making phone calls, sending resumes, pounding the pavement, canvassing friends and old colleagues (I made it my "full-time job" and kept a fairly detailed log). I did the math and all the jobs I had available to me at that time I would have to work at least 8 hours per day to max out anything much beyond what unemployment paid.

So I should take a min wage job and work 8-10 hours per day just to get off unemployment, and make marginally more than unemployment is paying so I still cannot provide for my family, and ALSO I can't look for a job as much as I did before, so my time employed at this level is lengthened by who knows how long?

Great plan.

I did take a job with the Census from Dec 09 to Jul 10, because that paid more than twice what I was making from unemployment, but during that time my job search efforts had to be cut drastically since it was a salaried position and we were working 10-12 hour days. I figure I lost about 3 months of job search time, all told, while I worked there (on the per hour basis I was logging). Maybe I could have had a better job months earlier than I did had I not worked there. But I felt I needed to do what I could to ease the burden on my family and other relatives.

You obviously have never been in that boat before. When you talk out of your *** it is amazing how far down your throat you can stick your foot.
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The difference is, to my knowledge, Archie wasn't collecting unemployment. Monumental difference.
 
SalmonHobo said:
I didn't read the part about you reffing and such til just now.

Why come crying to a message board then? Were you just attention whoring once again?
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I was frustrated I quit a job making six figures to go back to school for degree so more doors would be opened for me - only to find it doesn't work that way. For some naive reason, I thought once I graduated, I would be picking where I worked.


Frustrating? Hell to the yes.
 
Archie Moses said:
I was frustrated I quit a job making six figures to go back to school for degree so more doors would be opened for me - only to find it doesn't work that way. For some naive reason, I thought once I graduated, I would be picking where I worked.


Frustrating? Hell to the yes.
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(something) paid six figures?
 
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Archie Moses said:
I was frustrated I quit a job making six figures to go back to school for degree so more doors would be opened for me - only to find it doesn't work that way. For some naive reason, I thought once I graduated, I would be picking where I worked.


Frustrating? Hell to the yes.
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You do know that you don't count the numbers on the right of the decimal when you say six figures, don't you?
 
He wasn't "attention whoring"! He was just telling us how it's hard for him to find a job, and all about his last job where he made six figures.

- Craig
 
Beantown said:
Sorry we cant all be insurance salesman.

More people lose money when they do door to door then make money. Not to mention they don't give you any health benefits which him having a baby is must. Also Archie is a recent college graduate. Maybe he has school loans where a job making less than 30,000 or something wont cut it.
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You're so damn dumb, it actually physically hurts.

LogGrad98 said:
Let's see, while I was unemployed looking for a job ........ (too much to quote)

You obviously have never been in that boat before. When you talk out of your *** it is amazing how far down your throat you can stick your foot.
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I think it's safe to say that you're the exception to the rule, Log, although I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone in this thread (you or Archie) but was mostly making a generalized statement. I still stand by my original statement though, and agree with SalmonHobo almost 100%. As for not having been in that boat, I guess you're right? I've never been unemployed. I probably have the worst resume on the board, have very few marketable skills, no post-HS education, and am mostly an all-around shmuck. Somehow I can manage to find and keep jobs, so forgive me if I think it's a load of crap that people are spending hours/days/weeks/months really devoted to looking for work. Also, talking out of my *** has paid huge dividends for me, don't knock it.

Archie Moses said:
Trout, it's nothing to do with being proud.
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Like I said, I wasn't pointing at you Mike. I know your situation, and I don't think you're one of the lazy bums that I want to pour boiling urine on. On the contrary, I'm impressed with where you're at at this point of your life/career. Other than the size of your pud, your wife is a lucky girl.

Archie Moses said:
I mean, why take a job when you and your employer know that you'll have one foot in the door and one foot out of the door? It's not fair to them (hiring and retaining is very expensive) and it's not fair to the employee. Why sell yourself short?
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I have to call BS on this. It doesn't matter where your feet are. If you need money to support your family/yourself/lifestyle/whatever, then you have to get out there and get a freaking job. Who gives a crap if it's "unfair" to the employer? I mean seriously. If you need the money, you won't be doing a half-assed job, so you won't be being unfair anyway. If you ARE doing a terrible job, then you'll get fired. Don't bother getting a job if you're going to get fired for being lazy. As for selling yourself short, I'm not really sure WTF you're talking about. I'm not sure how getting off your *** and working is ever selling yourself short, especially if you're working while you're looking to improve your "other" job/situation.
Archie Moses said:
I mean, I actually have been doing odd jobs for the past few months (mostly recreational stuff like reffing, umpiring, site supervising) and I've even had interviews for jobs that I was way too qualified for only to be denied because of what I said previously. I could go flip burgers and trust me I would if my situation required it, but it doesn't. We're not in any debt, we both manage our money very well and we've made some smart choices that will take care of us for a while even if I wasn't able to find a job.
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THIS is what I'm talking about. You would go flip burgers, and so would I. You do what you have to do. Freeloading idiots like BeanClown, on the other hand, are above that kind of thing. I am bitching about jackholes like him who refuse to go flip burgers because of their pride and over-inflated sense of self-worth.
Archie Moses said:
With all that being said, I got the job I interviewed for yesterday and I start on Monday. It's about flipping time cause I worked my *** off for about 4 hours a day applying for jobs and I went to 15 interviews. I finally landed the job in the one interview I didn't actually say "hehepeepeecaca."
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Four hours a day sounds more like it -- and if your financial situation were different, you would've still worked a full time job somewhere and put in your four hours of job hunting.

Congrats on the job, btw. Send me a PM or message on FB with some details, namely your work schedule; I still want that date you promised me.
 
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Why would someone worry about taking a job you wouldn't like as being unfair to the employer? So what if you have a job while looking for something better? Worried about how the employer feels? Do you really think they care how you feel when they come to you and tell you that instead of a raise this year they're cutting your salary by 5% or laying you off instead? It's everybody for themselves out there.
 
catratcho said:
Why would someone worry about taking a job you wouldn't like as being unfair to the employer? So what if you have a job while looking for something better? Worried about how the employer feels? Do you really think they care how you feel when they come to you and tell you that instead of a raise this year they're cutting your salary by 5% or laying you off instead? It's everybody for themselves out there.
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Exactly. I didn't wanna piss on Archie's post though.
 
Fair question - most probably would not - but I can't think of another reason for someone to exhibit that sort of consideration.
 
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