TURKEY-GERMANY : Nowitzki- Turkey

[sepanol]

When it comes to big games against longer players like Gasol or Bynum, I disagree. This is no different than Memo who held his ground well and tried to play good team d. But when push came to shove, he simply didn't have the ability to truly challenge the offensive player whether that meant blocking a shot, altering one, or gaining any type of psychological advantage in the match-up.

Kanter may be listed at 6'11 (without shoes) and he may rebound at a very good rate in the NBA. But he doesn't appear to have the lift or play tall to truly challenge the best in the league. Against heavy-footed guys like Kaman and maybe Bogut, he may be okay. Against Howard, Bynum, the Gasols, and maybe a few others, I'm not so sure. The bottom line though is he's 19 so if you're someone like me, why worry. We have the luxury of time and a stable of bigs, specifically Favors, who I believe can play truly big at the 5 if Kanter can't.

I agree Favors can be 5 and Kanter 4, but tell me who can defend Gasol, Howard ,Bynum without any problems. Also Kanter guarded Marc Gasol pretty well against Spain

 

[sepanol]

I don't think Memo has nearly as solid a base as Kanter. Add in the transition element, and the defensive comparison is just plain stupid.

i agree

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I agree Favors can be 5 and Kanter 4, but tell me who can defend Gasol, Howard ,Bynum without any problems. Also Kanter guarded Marc Gasol pretty well against Spain

I don't. Gasol, when he got the ball, seemed to do what he wanted.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Memo is the worst help/team defending 5 that I can think of. Atrocious. What?

The ONLY thing Memo does well defensively is contain his matchup.

Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess I was high GVC. <shrugs> What do you want me to say? I haven't seen him in 17 months.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't. Gasol, when he got the ball, seemed to do what he wanted.

Gasol ate Kanter's lunch, but mostly on turnaround fade-aways if I remember right. In the second half in the paltry minutes that Kanter got in the second half, the matchup was much more even and Kanter looked a lot more comfortable.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Gasol ate Kanter's lunch, but mostly on turnaround fade-aways if I remember right. In the second half in the paltry minutes that Kanter got in the second half, the matchup was much more even and Kanter looked a lot more comfortable.

Agreed.

 

[sepanol]

I don't. Gasol, when he got the ball, seemed to do what he wanted.

You didnt watch other games of Spain then, so you cant compare how well he did what he want against Kanter and other players he played against

 

[aybars]

Enes Kanter highlights from germany game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vadOQ0rBcz8

 

[sepanol]

Enes Kanter highlights from germany game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vadOQ0rBcz8

he almost didnt make any rookie mistakes unlike other games

 

[aybars]

believe me,if he kept him in the game,he would have gotten 20/10.Ene is joke,and im afraid he aint going anywhere after the EC.

 

[spycam1]

I'm really liking his up and under move.

 

[aybars]

ok,this is from euro-forum;

Top 18, 19, 20, 21 years old performers of Eurobasket History (Since 1995 untill euro-championship 2011 day-10)


EUROBASKET - Top 18 years old performers

1. 1995 Marko Milic SLO 1977 9 P, 3 R, 3 A
2. 1999 Sani Becirovic SLO 1981 8 P, 2 R, 3 A
3. 2011 Devon Van Oostrum GRB 1993 1 P, 2 R, 3 A, 2 TO

EUROBASKET - Top 19 years old performers

1. 1999 Lubos Barton CZE 1980 19 P, 6 R, 2 A, 2 S, 2 TO
2. 1995 Mirsad Turkcan TUR 1976 8 P, 8 R
3. 2001 Tony Parker FRA 1982 9 P, 2 R, 2 A
4. 2011 Enes Kanter TUR 1992 9 P, 4 R
5. 2009 Ricky Rubio SPA 1990 6 P, 2 R, 4 A, 1 S
6. 2011 Jonas Valanciunas LTU 1992 10 P, 4 R, 3 TO
7. 1997 Josip Sesar CRO 1978 7 P, 2 A, 1 S
8. 1995 Efthymios Rentzias GRE 1976 6 P, 3 R
9. 2007 Stefan Markovic SER 1988 3 P, 2 R, 2 A, 2 S
10. 2005 Anton Ponkrashov RUS 1986 2 P, 2 R, 5 A, 2 TO, 2 S

EUROBASKET - Top 20 years old performers

1. 2001 Andrei Krilenko RUS 1981 19 P, 9 R, 3 A, 3 S, 3 B, 2 TO
2. 2001 Sani Becirovic SLO 1981 11 P, 5 R, 4 A, 2 S, 4 TO
3. 1997 Marko Milic SLO 1977 12 P, 3 R, 2 A, 2 S, 3 TO
4. 1999 Hidayet Turkoglu TUR 1979 12 P, 3 R, 1 S
5. 1999 Kerem Tunceri TUR 1979 7 P, 3 R, 5 A, 1 S
6. 1999 Matjaz Smodis SLO 1979 11 P, 4 R
7. 2003 Sergey Monya RUS 1983 12 P, 5 R, 2 TO
8. 2001 Antonis Fotsis GRE 1981 9 P, 4 R
9. 2003 Ender Arslan TUR 1983 8 P, 2 R, 2 A, 1 S
10. 2007 Milos Teodosic SER 1987 9 P, 2 R, 2 A

EUROBASKET - Top 21 years old performers

1. 1997 Radoslav Nesterovic SLO 1976 14 P, 9 R, 2 S
2. 2007 Andris Biedrins LAT 1986 15 P, 10 R, 1 B, 3 TO
3. 2001 Pau Gasol SPA 1980 17 P, 10 R, 2 B, 3 TO
4. 2003 Tony Parker FRA 1982 18 P, 3 R, 3 A, 2 S, 3 TO
5. 1997 Efthymios Rentzias GRE 1976 12 P, 4 R, 2 S
6. 2003 Victor Khryapa RUS 1982 10 P, 6 R, 2 A, 1 S, 2 TO
7. 2003 Marko Popovic CRO 1982 11 P, 3 R, 3 A
8. 1999 Dirk Nowitzki GER 1978 15 P, 3 R, 2 A, 3 TO
9. 2001 Juan Carlos Navarro SPA 1980 15 P, 3 A, 1 S, 2 TO
10. 1997 Mirsad Turkcan TUR 1976 9 P, 7 R, 2 S, 2 TO

 

[Dr. Jones]

That's good stuff aybars, thanks.

 

[The Midnight]

I agree with him being a 4/5, but undersized? He measured 6-11" (yes, in shoes) and weighs around 260lbs. He'll often be shorter than the other teams center, but to say he's undersized is a stretch.

OK I was trying to be polite by saying that he's "undersized" (dumb I know). What I was meant to say is that he's gonna be a bit short going up against the Howards, Bynums, Boguts of the NBA world.

He'll dominate at the PF position - I have absolutely no doubt about that watching the Turkey-Germany game. He's STRONG and yet FAST. POWERFUL and yet SKILLFUL.

Somebody said that to determine your position in the NBA - look at which position you can guard. I just don't know if Kanter can guard NBA Centers and really do well in it. I think he can guard most PFs no problem whatsoever.

To me.. sadly he's just about half an inch too short to play the Center position in the NBA.

 

[GVC]

OK I was trying to be polite by saying that he's "undersized" (dumb I know). What I was meant to say is that he's gonna be a bit short going up against the Howards, Bynums, Boguts of the NBA world.

He'll dominate at the PF position - I have absolutely no doubt about that watching the Turkey-Germany game. He's STRONG and yet FAST. POWERFUL and yet SKILLFUL.

Somebody said that to determine your position in the NBA - look at which position you can guard. I just don't know if Kanter can guard NBA Centers and really do well in it. I think he can guard most PFs no problem whatsoever.

To me.. sadly he's just about half an inch too short to play the Center position in the NBA.

I think this sort of thinking, which happens to be all too prevalent on jazzfanz, is terribly flawed (even ignoring how unimportant head height is to defense). No, Kanter isn't especially long, but what he lacks in length, he seems to make up for in strength. That is, when a player like Howard or Bynum gets within a few feet of the basket, you're probably ****ed either way, and an extra 0.5 blocks per game aren't going to make a hell of a lot of difference (especially since there's a damn good chance the offensive team retains possession). On the other hand, if you're able to keep those same players 10 to 15 feet away from the basket with superior transition and positional play, those players' strengths are largely negated. Length and athleticism seem to come more into play defending fleet-of-foot power forwards on pick and rolls and perimeter players driving to the basket. Kanter will suffer far more in those situations than when he's called on to guard large post threats.

 

[sepanol]

I think this sort of thinking, which happens to be all too prevalent on jazzfanz, is terribly flawed (even ignoring how unimportant head height is to defense). No, Kanter isn't especially long, but what he lacks in length, he seems to make up for in strength. That is, when a player like Howard or Bynum gets within a few feet of the basket, you're probably ****ed either way, and an extra 0.5 blocks per game aren't going to make a hell of a lot of difference (especially since there's a damn good chance the offensive team retains possession). On the other hand, if you're able to keep those same players 10 to 15 feet away from the basket with superior transition and positional play, those players' strengths are largely negated. Length and athleticism seem to come more into play defending fleet-of-foot power forwards on pick and rolls and perimeter players driving to the basket. Kanter will suffer far more in those situations than when he's called on to guard large post threats.

I agree with whole writing. I think Kanter may use a Perkins effect when guarding players like Howard. He will have much more difficult when guarding likes of Frye than Howard imo.

 

[MVP]

ok,this is from euro-forum;

EUROBASKET - Top 19 years old performers

1. 1999 Lubos Barton CZE 1980 19 P, 6 R, 2 A, 2 S, 2 TO
2. 1995 Mirsad Turkcan TUR 1976 8 P, 8 R
3. 2001 Tony Parker FRA 1982 9 P, 2 R, 2 A
4. 2011 Enes Kanter TUR 1992 9 P, 4 R
5. 2009 Ricky Rubio SPA 1990 6 P, 2 R, 4 A, 1 S
6. 2011 Jonas Valanciunas LTU 1992 10 P, 4 R, 3 TO

I think after todays game you can switch JV with Kanter

Kanter, 9.6pts, 3.9reb, 0.5ast, 0.3stl, 0.6blk, 1.1to .590FG, .679FT 17.8min
JV 10.4pts, 3.6reb, 1ast, 0.8stl, 1.1blk, 2.7 to .707fg, .710FT 17.3min.

only thing Kanter does better in this tourney is rebounding and less TO.

 

[The Midnight]

I think this sort of thinking, which happens to be all too prevalent on jazzfanz, is terribly flawed (even ignoring how unimportant head height is to defense). No, Kanter isn't especially long, but what he lacks in length, he seems to make up for in strength. That is, when a player like Howard or Bynum gets within a few feet of the basket, you're probably ****ed either way, and an extra 0.5 blocks per game aren't going to make a hell of a lot of difference (especially since there's a damn good chance the offensive team retains possession). On the other hand, if you're able to keep those same players 10 to 15 feet away from the basket with superior transition and positional play, those players' strengths are largely negated. Length and athleticism seem to come more into play defending fleet-of-foot power forwards on pick and rolls and perimeter players driving to the basket. Kanter will suffer far more in those situations than when he's called on to guard large post threats.

I hear what you're saying but if I can start at new team I'd definitely put Kanter in at PF (he's quick enough to defend most PFs IMO). And have a Chandler type player - somebody who's naturally long, not particularly quick or strong but athletic and can simply 'reach over' or 'jump over' and grab those contested rebounds.

OK - the Perkins analogy - I buy that - only to the extent that Celtics also had Kevin Garnett who's 7 foot plus tall in the PF position which helps negating Perkin's height issue.

I'm thinking of those 50/50 situations where you need your big guys to grab those rebounds. You can just see it in the Turkey-Germany games, occasions when Kaman & Nowitzki were just too tall and reach over the back of players to grab those contested rebounds.

 

[aybars]

I think after todays game you can switch JV with Kanter

Kanter, 9.6pts, 3.9reb, 0.5ast, 0.3stl, 0.6blk, 1.1to .590FG, .679FT 17.8min
JV 10.4pts, 3.6reb, 1ast, 0.8stl, 1.1blk, 2.7 to .707fg, .710FT 17.3min.

only thing Kanter does better in this tourney is rebounding and less TO.

well,unfortunately they minus all the TO(total) and fouls made,its not only points that counts,i will check back as soon as they update

 

[Deleted member 848]

I think after todays game you can switch JV with Kanter

Kanter, 9.6pts, 3.9reb, 0.5ast, 0.3stl, 0.6blk, 1.1to .590FG, .679FT 17.8min
JV 10.4pts, 3.6reb, 1ast, 0.8stl, 1.1blk, 2.7 to .707fg, .710FT 17.3min.

only thing Kanter does better in this tourney is rebounding and less TO.

2.7 TOs per game? Hahahaha