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Red said:
It was not the fault of that Wendy’s franchise that the man was killed. It was a miserable thing to do to that establishment. And there are those who will do it in a heartbeat, without a second thought. They live for the chance to act this way. That does not negate or relegate to meaninglessness the peaceful protests, and those who would never act this way. But it will continue to happen every single time events that triggered last night occur.
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People like Killer Mike (rapper, song writer, actor and activist) are pretty much blaming and shaming the Wendy's worker. https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/killer-mike-speaks-on-the-death-of-rayshard-brooks-news.112466.html

The media and everyone keep blaming and pointing fingers at everyone besides Brooks. I don't even think we have all the info yet so who really knows what happened for the police to get there, but clearly Brooks made a lot of poor decisions and it's being sensationalized as another racist provoked police killing.

There's another thing going on in CA in California where a young man was found dead hanging by his neck. The police say it appeared to be a suicide and are investigating, but that pissed a lot of people off. Other people quickly speculated he was murdered (I hate the word lynch btw because of its ugly history.) I, 100%, think it needs to be investigated. But isn't it common for the police to say it appears to be a suicide although it's under investigation?
 
fishonjazz said:
I have enjoyed and mostly agreed with his posts today.


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Yeah, I don't get that. Log knows it's a slippery slope and is aware of what's going on. Is that offensive? Not at all.

People, nowadays, think opinions can only be in alignment with their opinions or it's wrong and shameful.

If you get a chance, watch that Andrew Schultz video I posted about the Confederate Flag. Dude nails exactly how I see things. Maybe it's just me, but I find him refreshing and hilarious.
 
fishonjazz said:
I thought you were asking why the wendy's rather than why the fire.

As for why the fire, sometimes ****ing **** up makes you feel better. Gets your anger out

I have always enjoyed punching things when I'm angry. Always feel better after.

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To add to this, I'm not a psychiatrist and don't understand the psychology behind it but many humans like to destroy and to kill. Maybe it makes us feel powerful? I'm sure many posters on this site spend lots of time and money on hunting. They enjoy the act of going out and destroying the lives of animals. It's fun for them. They enjoy taking their guns out and shooting crap. (I'm not judging btw) Some people like MMA. Football is very violent. When I'm camping I don't like a little campfire, I want it to be big as ****. Doesn't need to be but I like to watch stuff burn. I'm sure there are some in the military that train for war and want to use the skills they have learned to kill people.
When I played video games, the more violent the better. I like violent movies, books, and video games.
We destroy our planet. We like destruction.

Humans mostly suck

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fishonjazz said:
I thought you were asking why the wendy's rather than why the fire.

As for why the fire, sometimes ****ing **** up makes you feel better. Gets your anger out

I have always enjoyed punching things when I'm angry. Always feel better after.

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Yeah, dude. I asked, at first, why they lit it on fire cause I didn't know. Then after finding out out I was still like, yeah, but why though?!?!

I get venting and getting anger out. Hell, there are new things called Rage Rooms now https://www.escaperoom-zone.com/20-minute-rage-room-session/.

I just don't get why releasing your anger out on someone or something that didn't cause your anger in the first place. Yeah, it happened at Wendy's, but to destroy it because of that does nothing to help anyone. It's crazy to me how many people are OK with it, not bugged or say they understand.

Apparently, I'm missing something which I very well could be.
 
Archie Moses said:
People like Killer Mike (rapper, song writer, actor and activist) are pretty much blaming and shaming the Wendy's worker. https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/killer-mike-speaks-on-the-death-of-rayshard-brooks-news.112466.html

The media and everyone keep blaming and pointing fingers at everyone besides Brooks. I don't even think we have all the info yet so who really knows what happened for the police to get there, but clearly Brooks made a lot of poor decisions and it's being sensationalized as another racist provoked police killing.

There's another thing going on in CA in California where a young man was found dead hanging by his neck. The police say it appeared to be a suicide and are investigating, but that pissed a lot of people off. Other people quickly speculated he was murdered (I hate the word lynch btw because of its ugly history.) I, 100%, think it needs to be investigated. But isn't it common for the police to say it appears to be a suicide although it's under investigation?
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Yeah, I was out taking my walk when it occurred to me that maybe somebody at Wendy’s called the cops. That would not answer your question “what good does this (burning Wendy’s) do?”, because the only answer I can have for that is it does no good whatsoever. But, it might explain, if the fact that Wendy’s called was known last night, why some might have felt justified in outright destroying the place. I don’t condone it, hope that’s clear, but I don’t expect an abundance of rational decisions on the part of an angry group of people in the immediate aftermath of the killing.
 
Archie Moses said:
Yeah, dude. I asked, at first, why they lit it on fire cause I didn't know. Then after finding out out I was still like, yeah, but why though?!?!

I get venting and getting anger out. Hell, there are new things called Rage Rooms now https://www.escaperoom-zone.com/20-minute-rage-room-session/.

I just don't get why releasing your anger out on someone or something that didn't cause your anger in the first place. Yeah, it happened at Wendy's, but to destroy it because of that does nothing to help anyone. It's crazy to me how many people are OK with it, not bugged or say they understand.

Apparently, I'm missing something which I very well could be.
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I dont understand it and im not ok with it and i am bugged by it.

Unfortunately emotional actions are often hard to understand.


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Red said:
Yeah, I was out taking my walk when it occurred to me that maybe somebody at Wendy’s called the cops. That would not answer your question “what good does this (burning Wendy’s) do?”, because the only answer I can have for that is it does no good whatsoever. But, it might explain, if the fact that Wendy’s called was known last night, why some might have felt justified in outright destroying the place. I don’t condone it, hope that’s clear, but I don’t expect an abundance of rational decisions on the part of an angry group of people in the immediate aftermath of the killing.
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Yeah, I don't get why people are mad an employee called the police because there was a guy passed out on the drive through. That's not snitching, that's being a responsible human being. If those people spent more time worrying about eliminating drunk or impaired drivers more than those who call cops on them the world would be a better place just like if officers were better at de-escalating situations and not killing someone who's running away that's blind firing a taser.

It seems like most of the crazy stuff happening have pretty simple solutions that are being overly complicated - like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
 
fishonjazz said:
I dont understand it and im not ok with it and i am bugged by it.

Unfortunately emotional actions are often hard to understand.


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I think emotional actions are both hard to understand and simple to understand. It's hard to know exactly how one is feeling to make them react a certain way but it's easy to understand reactions (a lot of them anyway) knowing they were made off of emotions. We shouldn't let our emotions get the best of us, but as humans, we often do.
 
LogGrad98 said:
You realize the police are literally under fire from every single angle right now, everywhere. They are dropping from their jobs, afraid for their safety, and unsure of what to expect in any situation they can imagine. If course that cop said that. You think he wants to risk a riot in his town, or his job, if he didn't?

Sorry red, normally I think you are pretty well-reasoned. I think you are not thinking through the nuance and wide-reaching ramifications here very clearly.

And that raises the other question, at what point do they "assume" the threat is over? And do we just allow people to literally assault the police and then...go home? Not far from a descent into chaos once we start doing that imo.

You know one statistic we don't have? How many situations like that one would have ended in that person killing or harming an incident because the cop was acting on his best information in a very difficult situation and trying to contain the situation according to his training and the assailant sadly was killed. Do you want to start compiling that statistic when we start letting people in those situations just walk away?
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Well, I respect your difference of opinion. Here is how I see what is happening in America(and, really, it’s a world wide phenomena right now, and that is an extremely revealing aspect to what is happening, I do believe) with the police. On the front end, we need better training, and, on the back end, we need equal justice if what justice metes just seems too far out of whack.

And really, I think it comes down to this: how do we improve the chances of non lethal outcomes, while ensuring the police themselves are protected, are as safe as possible while on the job? This is what I think it comes down to, and I think it is a very difficult problem to solve.

@The Thriller posted something, I think it was earlier in this thread, about the different policies enacted by police departments, and how some departments have far less lethal encounters without resultant increased police fatalities or injuries. Due to lethal force policies they follow. Or don’t follow. I’m tagging Thriller because maybe he can find that comment easier than I can. At the time, he asked people to read the piece, I did, and I found the differences between various approaches to be revealing. What I took from that piece is that it is possible to have lethal force policies that reduce civilian deaths without compromising police safety. We’ll have to find that article, and post it again.

Again, I want to emphasize, without going my usual long overboard, that the fact this has become a world wide movement may be very important to truly understand what all this means.
 


Dang. Just saw this. Brooks seems like a great guy and they officer seems calm and level headed then it escalates out of no where. Damn.

Alcohol makes you think like everything is a good idea. That wasn't a good idea.
 
Archie Moses said:


Dang. Just saw this. Brooks seems like a great guy and they officer seems calm and level headed then it escalates out of no where. Damn.

Alcohol makes you think like everything is a good idea. That wasn't a good idea.
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Wow good video. Man he doesn't even seem that drunk.


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@Red

I think this might’ve been the post you were referring to.

Just like with health care, coronavirus, and gun violence, I think we can all benefit by learning from what other countries have done. All too often we act as if we live on an island and must reinvent the wheel every time. Or in the case of policing, we must maintain the status quo because it’s what we’ve always done.

The Thriller said:
You clearly don’t know what advocates for “defunding the police” want. Turning off Fox News and am radio would do you wonders. This is a pretty good article to get started:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/us/what-does-defund-police-mean.html

This gives a perspective on policing from around the world:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...raint-how-police-tactics-differ-around-world/

This thread from today changed my view on policing. I mean, seriously, how is this system acceptable?



The tweet above explains how minor problems can lead to escalations. A contributing factor to America’s police force being the deadliest in the world. Again, you won’t get this perspective from the right wing sources you consume:

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/

Finally, John Oliver had a good interview the other night explaining how defunding would allocate resources to help communities grow and be safer and healthier:

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Eminence said:
Comparing a situation where the officers interacted with the perp in close quarters to some sort of Dirty Harry shootout - "Did he use all his ammo?" is ridiculous.
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I guess I just see the point he was making even though I agree he shouldn't have been killed for blindly firing a taser on the run. I think the point he's making is it's not entirely impossible the guy couldn't escalate things even further if he already took it to the level of resisting arrest out of no where, fighting two cops, overpowering them, stealing their weapon, running away and firing. Maybe one of the cops didn't know it was the taser that was stolen and thought it was his partner's gun. I'm not claiming to know, cause I don't. Those thoughts just aren't impossible though. I assume Log was being hyperbolic to make his point but it didn't come across as annoying to me. *shrugs*

Another thing I don't know is if the cops patted Brooks down for weapons when they initially had him exit his vehicle. If they didn't, I could see how they could fear he might have a gun and is willing to use it at that point too.

****** situation for everyone and terrible time or maybe great timing for it to happen depending on your thought process.


Here's a question for everyone. What do you think of the police chief resigning? Was that the right and respectable thing to do or was it cowardice and she did it to avoid the situation and backlash?

The cop that got fired too is probably gonna have a case suing the city. Cops have so many things that protect them that I can't see him not doing that.
 
Cops can be such assholes. I've watched some of the Live PD shows. Why do they have to handcuff people when they are not resisting? Since when has that become a protocol?

Once many years ago, I was stopped for DWI. I had two drinks and blew a 0.5 which was the lowest level at that time in NYS to be considered "impaired," a lower designation than DWI. I was never handcuffed and the officer was very cordial and said since I blew so low he would recommend that I would only be assessed a fine for a lower offense and not the driving while impaired.

But now they handcuff you for any reason. I see that as unnecessary and simply escalating the situation. If they didn't try to handcuff Brooks, I don't think the confrontation would've occurred and Brooks would still be alive. This is the problem with law enforcement. They often escalate situations and cause the confrontations rather than de-escalate them. This is where education needs to be implemented in law enforcement -- learning how to calm down a situation rather than the reverse, which is often the case.
 
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Archie Moses said:
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Hyperbole gets to me I guess.

Personally I think the police chief resigning does seem a bit cowardly and that they weren't prepared for the job during hard times (and it is a hard job).

I don't believe the cop should've been immediately fired, I personally support suspension with pay for most officers involved in deaths (there's a few obvious ones both ways where the officer either blatantly did the right or wrong thing), with some sort of reasonable time-limit on an outside investigation into the matter to make a further decision.
 
Archie Moses said:
He doesn't seem wasted but I could tell he was drunk because of how repetitive he was and how animated he was talking with his body. He wasn't slurring, wobbling and his eyes didn't look drunk though.
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Ya I expected wobbling and slurring and was surprised there wasn't much.
On the other hand I have had some run ins with the law while drunk and just the situation of dealing with cops had a sobering effect on me.

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