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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

Archie Moses said:
Seriously.

What ever happened to personal responsibility and accountability?
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I agree that once the guy steals the taser, it's hard to fault the police actions. I also think the police bear responsibility for escalating the situation before that point. Lots of personal responsibility to go around.
 
Just because we’ve always done law enforcement a certain way doesn’t mean we always should. Just like with health care and gun violence and education... we can benefit from looking outside our little world. I know I know, we’re exceptional and always number 1 but still. It’s beneficial to see how other countries are doing things.

This is Eye opening and explains a lot


I had a friend once who got his hair license. She had to have over 2,000 training hours, so basically 3x as much training as our police. That was for hair.
 
One Brow said:
Except, they don't need to be locked up, and locking them up does as much harm as good. The practice only exists to make us feel better, not to make things safer.
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You write as if that's an absolute and it's not so I disagree.

I think in some cases, sure, they don't need to be locked up. Problem is, you never know.
 
One Brow said:
Most of those guys get out on bail anyhow. It's not like an arrest permanently locks them away.

On the other hand, sober molestors don't act as stupidly as drunk people over being arrested, and are less likely to be gunned down, if that matters to you.
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By the time they get out on bail they've had time to sober up and are removed from making any other poor decisions.
 
One Brow said:
Right, you you never know when arresting some drunk guy will escalate into death.
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So, if they're drunk and breaking the law they get a free pass because they're drunk?

Btw, the officers de escalated everything that Brooks escalated up until the point shots were fired. Has the man no blame in your eyes?
 
One Brow said:
What does that accomplish that confiscating the car would not?
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I don't think it's up to discretion of the officer. I think it's SOP to cuff them and take them in. I know quite a few people who have been arrested for DUI. All of them were cuffed and taken in the cop car each time

Now maybe that should change but I think the cop was just doing what he is supposed to do by putting cuffs on the guy.

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One Brow said:
What if you decide to molest a kid tomorrow? Someone should shoot you today, just to be safe.

I mean, if you base every decision regarding other people on the worst possible outcome, at least be consistent.
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I don't think archie said he should be shot for DUI, just arrested.

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Archie Moses said:
1. No. He passed out twice behind the wheel while the cops were there.
2. Yes. He was in line at the drive through. Passed out and was blocking other customers. He may not have been moving, but he was driving. He wasn't parked.
3. Man, did you watch the video? Both the cops and Brooks weren't assholes and treated eachother with respect and were polite. Why were the cops assholes because they were doing their jobs?
4. Police do want to control people but these guys showed up to help both this guy and the public. I don't mind drunk driving being taken seriously.
5. I agree. Judging the cops by the videos, I think they were following their training of stopping the threat by eliminating it rather than eliminating the threat by resolving it without the use of deadly force.

For sure. I'm not mad they were doing their jobs though. They followed up on a call of a guy passed out at the wheel in a running car blocking the drive through. Checked on the guy's safety and the safety of others. Spoke with him politely and assessed the situation and gave him a breathalyzer.

It's easy for us to have hindsight and suggest things should have been handled differently. I'm actually surprised how many think the officers shouldn't have been involved in the first place and aren't taking drunk driving seriously. I'm also surprised by how many aren't blaming Brooks for his actions.

I don't know, man. Maybe letting him go to his sister's was the right call, but if they did and this guy made other poor choices that endangered himself or others, the police would be responsible.

Let the guy sober up behind bars to protect him from dumb decisions that so many are brushing off like yeah, but...
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I agree with you.
Let me go after telling me I have to go to court for DUI? Well now I'm really drunk AND really pissed off (I know how much a DUI is going to cost me and effect my life) and I might go do some stupid ****.
I'm much better off sulking in a cell until I sober up.

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https://www.deseret.com/indepth/202...black-lives-matter-georgetown-law-rosa-brooks

Thought this article was interesting. The interview isn’t that long. This was one of the key parts:

DN: What role does a military-style of training you experienced play in that change?

RB: It’s a kind of training that empowers the worst in recruits, and disempowers the best in a lot of ways. It’s a little bit like the research on abused children who are more likely, statistically, to grow up to be abusive. If what is modeled for us at moments when we’re particularly impressionable — you’re young, it’s your first experience in this profession and you’re being kind of inculcated into its norms — is people with more power treat those with less power in a language of force and orders, that’s what you take away and you’re going to apply those lessons when you’re out on the street dealing with the general public...

I think the problems are largely structural.
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Archie Moses said:
When am I implying that it's ok? Because I don't mind our tax paying, public servants take drunk drivers off the street while drunk that translates I don't mind them being gunned down? Yeah, mmkay.
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That is, and will continue to be, the result of a policy of incarcerating people immediately for drunk driving. If you support the incarceration, you by default support the shootings.
 
Archie Moses said:
So, if they're drunk and breaking the law they get a free pass because they're drunk?
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They get their cars impounded.
They go to court.
They get fines and jail time.
They get various civil penalties.

Archie Moses said:
Has the man no blame in your eyes?
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Well, if he has blame, I gues it's OK that he's dead, and there is no need for change, right? If you don't mean that, what do you mean, and why is this relevant?
 
fishonjazz said:
I don't think it's up to discretion of the officer. I think it's SOP to cuff them and take them in. I know quite a few people who have been arrested for DUI. All of them were cuffed and taken in the cop car each time

Now maybe that should change but I think the cop was just doing what he is supposed to do by putting cuffs on the guy.
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I agree. I'm arguing we need to change the SOP.
 
This article kind of sums up the ridiculousness of where things are trending.

Black woman tries to go to pool at apartment she is sub leasing. Policy is only people who's names are on the actual lease, who actually have contract with apartment complex, who have filled out proper liability paperwork are allowed to use the facilities. It doesn't specifically say in the article but I would assume sub leasing in general is prohibited. Anyways, woman who works there says I don't recognize you, girl says I live here, gives address, woman says you aren't the person on the lease and no visitors are allowed. This has 0 to do with race. This has to do with liability.

So black woman posts to twitter, complains and the person working who was doing her job 100% correctly is suspended and will likely be fired.

It's coming to a point where it's almost as if some, a vocal minority most likely, don't think rules should apply to people of color.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ng-black-resident-entrance-swimming-pool.html
 
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