2020 Presidential election
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Again, China has many issues. But that doesn't mean everything they do is terrible, they have done good things. That data is from the World Bank. That's a USA company that technically Trump is in charge of... So are you calling Trump a liar?
That article you quoted used the same World Bank numbers that I just used. In fact their big turn around number is the one I used, they just left out that it's because of China not anything else during that time period. Their other big number is from the industrial revolution.
So you have nothing to back it up. Googled and did 0 research just tried to find anything to back yourself up. That's called confirmation bias. The numbers in the article you quoted actually back me up, so you failed, again.
I think that economic freedom has it's advantages but modern history disagrees with what you have stated. Poverty is increasing in many capitalistic countries. No country has ever turned around poverty like China has in such a short period. We just choose to ignore that.
Also that's not unpopular what you're saying, that's very popular in every capitalism country. Income inequality is what causes poverty in many places. Like I said USA is increasing in poverty. In the 80s it was very low at around 1% now it's around 4%. That's common around the world in more free economies. Free economies improve GDP but that doesn't mean less poverty always.
It's very hard to get people out of poverty without assistance. Countries that do that usually get a lot of help not just a few economy.
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Income inequality is a problem, no doubt
And economic freedom is most definitely a poverty killer.
I wouldn't say that income inequality causes poverty, more likely that there are other factors that cause both income inequality and poverty. They are two sides of the same coin.
Not saying we can't and shouldn't do better, we should.
But I'll never be in the "capitalism is the root of all evil" camp.
Thanks for the discussion.
I think we'd need to carefully define those terms, first. For example, are areas where there is no functioning national government under economic freedom? Does poverty refer to overall wealth, or the percentage of people impoverished?
The Thriller
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what a witch hunt. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are never trump liberals who form a sort of the deep state. This is like just so so so unfair!
Miggs
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Doubt it. I actually think Kanye is more popular with whites than minorities tbh. So far as affecting anything, I highly highly doubt it.
The Thriller
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I don’t think Kanye is even registered to vote. So I don’t think his campaign is off to a great start.
I definitely dont think capitalism is the root of all evil, it has many advantages and is used in most places. But, it also isnt perfect. But its really hard to define some of that anyways. China has a very capitalistic economy as well and USA is not a complete free market.
Economic freedom can help poverty but it can also cause it and has in many countries. Not everywhere is it as beneficial as USA for example. To get a country out of extreme poverty requires outside help. African countries that have a free economy without outside help wont overcome the situations they are in. There is no chance China would have gone from extreme poverty to what they are today with a complete free market.
The Thriller
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Imagine the freak out if Biden ever said anything like this
Avery
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1/100th time? So a fraction?
We are testing a whole bunch because we seem to have a whole bunch of people that believe they're sick and are. Fairly certain that if other countries were feeling sick that they would also do the same.
How is it that no one in his inner circle has been able to convince him of what a stupid argument this is.
Avery
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Ever debated a rabid raccoon on the merits of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and their effect on prepubescent youth?
Well, you’d have more success.
Red
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Wow, how to misrepresent! I watched the video. Biden said when police arrive in Humvees(Biden is not in favor of militarization of police departments), “they become the enemy”, clearly referring to the citizenry, not the police. He was saying arriving in military equipment is akin to treating our citizens as “the enemy”. He was not saying “the police are the enemy”. The person who tweeted that clearly twisted the context. Might not have been deliberate, might just be a misreading on her part, but that’s misrepresentation nonetheless.
Are you saying the media would freak out more if Biden said this?
I do think the media should emphasize the percentage of positive tests to total tests each day as another baseline indicator of how the virus is spreading. Some news outlets have, but very few. Those outlets that have published this data are showing a large majority of areas are having an increase in positive/total tests, which shows we haven't shut the virus down, and it continues to spread. With how contagious it is, if we don't control it, it will soon be to the point where we can't do anything meaningful to slow the spread without a complete shutdown.
It is not in dispute that a large number of cases go undetected due to lack of testing (supplies, and willingness to go get tested) and that many people show very few if any symptoms.
Regardless, Trump is correct that the more people we test, the more positives there will be. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be alarmed by those statistics, it is just giving us a better indication of how fast and far it has spread. And with lots of data now showing that immunity varies, but with most stating it only last four months, the idea of herd immunity becomes less likely. What is unknown, is how your body will fight it a second time, even if the antibodies are largely diminished.
In my area, our infectious disease ward is completely full, and Covid patients are now being put in regular rooms. And the increases in my area have not huge. Our hospitals aren't equipped to handle a large outbreak. My wife sees many Covid patients, and has had a few die.
I think the scariest thing is the devastation it can have on healthy younger people, which is not being focused on much. My wife has had a 30 year old patient have a stroke, that was attributed to Covid (evidently it can change clot factors in your blood). Some have major lung damage, and now they are seeing brain damage. It is scary stuff.
Can anyone truly say they are happy Trump has been president during this pandemic? I'm not saying I have confidence that our government would ever do an efficient job handling the pandemic, I think our 50 state systems and our constitution can be a double edge sword in that regard, but I do think pretty much any other person would have handled this better.
To twist a line from Batman:
People voted for Trump, so America has the president it deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
The Thriller
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Yes. Absolutely. The Biden would dwell on Biden's tweet for weeks while: a) the media treats Trump with kid gloves and b) Trump fills the zone with so much **** it's hard to keep up. The mere fact that Obama's tan suit got longer attention than Donald's Russia Bounties is example 1,457,305,284 of the double standard the media has for competent Democrats vs incompetent Republican rodeo clowns.
It's stupid to say for the 1/1000th time. He doesn't understand fractions.
It's stupid to suggest that our growing case number is due to an increase in testing and not to skyrocketing community spread. You cannot blow off scientific measures like social distancing and masks and expect the virus to not spread.
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