PJF
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I do. A lot.
2020 Presidential election
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I do. A lot.
That has been completely discredited.
NAOS
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There were serious red flags about that Biden accusation right from the start. Things quickly got much fishier from there.
I don’t like the equations with the Kavanaugh situation.
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There have been multiple reports by women that Biden has touched them in uncomfortable ways. Seems that Reade even said that Biden's actions were made worse by others telling her it was ok, but she was uncomfortable. Where has it been discredited?
With Kavanaugh, not a single person has been able to corroborate to any degree that the assault against Christine Blasey Ford happened. Even Ford’s old friend Leland Keyser, who Ford claimed was at the party where the assault allegedly happened, couldn’t confirm it. In fact, Keyser recently announced that she doesn’t believe Ford’s story. Even so, I believe her. And I believe Reade too based on Biden's other actions.
www.theatlantic.com
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There have been multiple reports by women that Biden has touched them in uncomfortable ways. Seems that Reade even said that Biden's actions were made worse by others telling her it was ok, but she was uncomfortable. Where has it been discredited?
With Kavanaugh, not a single person has been able to corroborate to any degree that the assault against Christine Blasey Ford happened. Even Ford’s old friend Leland Keyser, who Ford claimed was at the party where the assault allegedly happened, couldn’t confirm it. In fact, Keyser recently announced that she doesn’t believe Ford’s story. Even so, I believe her. And I believe Reade too based on Biden's other actions.
What Tara Reade Deserves
Her suffering is viewed as a tool for other agendas, rather than as a moral emergency in and of itself.
www.theatlantic.com
They are attacking him and Biden moves up in the polls. The attacks have changed no one’s mind. Nothing is sticking. Nada.
There have been multiple reports by women that Biden has touched them in uncomfortable ways. Seems that Reade even said that Biden's actions were made worse by others telling her it was ok, but she was uncomfortable. Where has it been discredited?
With Kavanaugh, not a single person has been able to corroborate to any degree that the assault against Christine Blasey Ford happened. Even Ford’s old friend Leland Keyser, who Ford claimed was at the party where the assault allegedly happened, couldn’t confirm it. In fact, Keyser recently announced that she doesn’t believe Ford’s story. Even so, I believe her. And I believe Reade too based on Biden's other actions.
What Tara Reade Deserves
Her suffering is viewed as a tool for other agendas, rather than as a moral emergency in and of itself.
www.theatlantic.com
Many allegations against Kavanaugh were BS. As was the allegation against Biden.
innocent until proven guilty.
Non partisan opinion., just the facts.
There hasn't been silence at all. What there has been is several articles showing significant inconsistencies in the accusers story and significant motivation on her part to harm the Biden campaign.
A Timeline Of Tara Reade’s Sexual Assault Allegations Against Joe Biden
Biden has denied the allegations directly: 'It never happened.'
www.forbes.com
Woman broadens claims against Biden to include sexual assault
The Biden campaign says the incident, alleged to have occurred in 1993, "absolutely did not happen."
www.nbcnews.com
Why is Trump so quiet about the Biden sexual assault allegation?
The president rarely misses a chance to sling mud but he has been uncharacteristically quiet about Tara Reade’s claim
www.theguardian.com
Look at all that silence.
NAOS
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It feels like the goalposts were just shifted. Have those uncomfortable touches just been equated with assaults?There have been multiple reports by women that Biden has touched them in uncomfortable ways. Seems that Reade even said that Biden's actions were made worse by others telling her it was ok, but she was uncomfortable. Where has it been discredited?
With Kavanaugh, not a single person has been able to corroborate to any degree that the assault against Christine Blasey Ford happened. Even Ford’s old friend Leland Keyser, who Ford claimed was at the party where the assault allegedly happened, couldn’t confirm it. In fact, Keyser recently announced that she doesn’t believe Ford’s story. Even so, I believe her. And I believe Reade too based on Biden's other actions.
What Tara Reade Deserves
Her suffering is viewed as a tool for other agendas, rather than as a moral emergency in and of itself.
I don’t want to be someone who is defending Biden. Neither do I want to be someone who’s creating false equivalences with Kavanaugh.
In a court of law we have different goal posts. With the person a party pushes forward to lead our country, or uphold laws, we should be better.
Unwanted touching from a person with power over you is despicable.
And to be clear, it wasn't just a hug, it included kisses and groping. Not sure why the report she made at the time won't be released...
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Safetydan
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I agree. I think most here that will vote for Biden acknowledge publicly that they will be holding their nose when they do so for various reasons. However, the expediency of the situation compels us all to do the right thing and vote for the much lesser evil.
There hasn't been silence at all. What there has been is several articles showing significant inconsistencies in the accusers story and significant motivation on her part to harm the Biden campaign.
A Timeline Of Tara Reade’s Sexual Assault Allegations Against Joe Biden
Biden has denied the allegations directly: 'It never happened.'
Woman broadens claims against Biden to include sexual assault
The Biden campaign says the incident, alleged to have occurred in 1993, "absolutely did not happen."
Why is Trump so quiet about the Biden sexual assault allegation?
The president rarely misses a chance to sling mud but he has been uncharacteristically quiet about Tara Reade’s claim
Look at all that silence.
And yet the media largely vilified Kavanaugh without looking for inconsistencies, which also existed and didn't get reported well. The liberal media bias is an entirely other issue (I think it actually hurts the media and the Democratic party to be honest).
I think the Atlantic article (also a left publication) I posted above weighs the issues quite neutrally.
I think Biden's statement holds true. It seems the media took it to heart with Kavanaugh, but not with Reade.
Having dealt with women who have gone through this, and the lifelong stigma that reporting it brings (who wants to be the person always known as the accuser that couldn't prove anything).
Until we see the released report Reade made, how can one not give her the benefit of the doubt?
And for the record, Kavanaugh disgusts me. In both cases, with so much time passing, it is easy to have inconsistencies in a story.
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Agreed. My whole point in this thread is our two parties have led us down a horrible path where those are our only options.
NAOS
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I agree it’s despicable.
Tell me again why I should stick an equal sign between Biden and Kavanaugh.
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Well they are going to be equal. Both accused with a Shakey story. Both will be in office. There ya go.
Red
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Guess I can try one more time....
Fact check: Trump campaign, Pence take Biden's policing comments out of context
In public comments and in advertising, President Donald Trump and his allies have tried to cast Democratic opponent Joe Biden as an anti-police radical.
NAOS
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I see that the gold standard liked this post.
I guess it’s nice to get a better understanding of the nuance of his argument.
muah.
Just to clarify, I tend to believe sexual assault victims accusations as I know the trauma bringing it to light brings. I'm not saying either Kavanaugh or Biden would be convicted of anything in a court of law, but that shouldn't be the standard for the person we elevate to represent us as a country or to shape our laws. The nuance of my argument is this: We can should do better.
NAOS
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Who is arguing with you on that point?
I honestly can’t think of one poster who has been supporting Biden throughout this entire process.
Edit to add: it’s totally cool to use this site as a place to get something off your chest and type for the sake of typing... I do it all the time... But it gets confusing when it sounds like you’re taking someone down who doesn’t exist. That’s all.
I responded early on to the thriller guy who claimed the media treats Trump with kid gloves, and Biden is somehow vilified by the media. He seems to support Biden, and that is who I was initially addressing. Then there were statements that Biden doesn't have anything stick to him. That is what I am responding to. I think the media protects Biden, and the accusations should "stick", but we just accept it, and we accept the candidates that our two parties push forward. So my argument is with pretty much everyone I guess, as we have a system that pushes forward less than ideal leaders, but people won't do anything about it.
I am arguing with your statement that somehow Reade's statements were fishy, yet you imply the accusations against Kavanaugh were not and don't want me to equate them. I'd argue they both had flaws, but neither is unbelievable, and responding to silesian that innocent until proven guilty should not be the standard for those we put in office.
Here I thought this was a thread on the presidential election, where we should be talking about the candidates and their flaws, but thanks for your added/edited condescending statement explaining what I should and shouldn't do on this site. I'm sorry that discussing what I think are key issues are confusing to you.