Boozer leaving = how many losses?
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The Jazz have played very well at times without Boozer being injured. So its hard to say that they well be a lot worse. Were it gets bad is if Milsap gets into foul trouble or G forgive he gets hurt for an extended period of time. I think they lose 5 games more than last year because of lack of finishing but I don't expect worse than that.
David Stern
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It really depends on who's backing up Sap.
Beantown
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I said the team is the same as last year with AK backing up Millsap.
Dwill/Price
Mathews/Korver
CJ/Hayward
Millsap/AK
Okur/Fess
Hopper
Banned
Like Ben done said, the Jazz have done purty good without Boozer, even when they were in the habit of relyin heavily on him, then had to quickly adjust.
Like my Mama usta say: "Hopper-boy, looky here: they aint just only one way to skin a cat."
Without Boozer, from day one, the Jazz can (and will) find different ways (different than throwin the ball to Boozer) to score, that's all. They'll get better d from the Paperboy to boot. Blessin in disguise, if ya ax me.
Like my Mama usta say: "Hopper-boy, looky here: they aint just only one way to skin a cat."
Without Boozer, from day one, the Jazz can (and will) find different ways (different than throwin the ball to Boozer) to score, that's all. They'll get better d from the Paperboy to boot. Blessin in disguise, if ya ax me.
It depends on health of Okur and overall quality of Center play.
Darkwing Duck
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I don't know. Injuries and stuff have a habit of screwing up predictions. Plus, something may happen that we don't expect.
(I'm looking squarely at you, Koufos.)
(I'm looking squarely at you, Koufos.)
Beantown
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Again.....same team as last year.
LunaticWolf
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6-7 losses, ala 08-09
Hopper
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What was the Jazz's record with and without Boozer that year? I see this here:
"His return to the court after missing 44 games due to injury was a quiet one statistically... he logged just over 21 rusty, ineffectual minutes, finishing with just 2 points (1-5 FG), 5 boards, 2 assists, and 2 steals. Fortunately for the Jazz, they hardly needed even those minimal contributions to blow out the Atlanta Hawks 108-89....
That marked the fifth straight win for the streaking Jazz, who pulled their record to an underrated 34-23 and are now just three games back of Northwest Division-leading Denver Nuggets...We’re big fans of free-agent-to-be Paul Millsap, who stands as one of the top candidates for this season’s Most Improved Player Award in averaging 14.7 points, 9.3 boards, 54% FG, 2.1 assists, 1 steal, and 1.1 blocks through 51 games...Because of Millsap’s accelerated development this season and their depth elsewhere on the roster, the Jazz would likely prove a tough out in these 2009 NBA Playoffs even if Boozer were to suffer another setback and see his season end prematurely."
https://www.emptythebench.com/2009/02/24/carlos-boozers-return-big-for-utah-jazz/
Of course, there are a lot more factors in play than merely whether or not Boozer played in a particular game(s). This same article also notes that:
"That they’re 11 games above .500 and still well within striking distance of a 2- or 3-seed speaks volumes about both their depth and the outstanding coaching, yet again, from that old bore Jerry Sloan. Take a look at their litany of games missed:
Carlos Boozer – 44 games
Andrei Kirilenko – 15 games
Deron Williams – 14 games
Mehmet Okur – 9 games
Paul Millsap – 6 games"
theNBAnerd
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there are some dilusional fans on here if you really think we win more games without getting anything to replace booz. millsap's great as what millsap's great at, but he's not gonna command double-teams, create spacing, punish people for giving him room, etc. more importantly, without boozer, we start the season with a big man rotation of sap, koufos and fes while memo is injured. how horrible is that?
go ahead and keep vilifying boozer if it somehow makes you feel better to do so... if you get your wish, the jazz will win 40 games next season, lose deron in 2012, and be right back where we were in 2003-04. i wonder who the 2013 equivalent of aleksandar radojevic will be.
go ahead and keep vilifying boozer if it somehow makes you feel better to do so... if you get your wish, the jazz will win 40 games next season, lose deron in 2012, and be right back where we were in 2003-04. i wonder who the 2013 equivalent of aleksandar radojevic will be.
Hopper
Banned
Are you under the impression that your wish to keep Boozer is gunna be granted somehow, that it, eh, Nerd?
2nd question: Are ya goin on record now as sayin the Jazz will only win 40 games next year if they lose Boozer? If so, how many ya figure they would win if they don't lose him?
gregbroncs
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Then again if the Jazz somehow keep Boozer they will win 50+ games make the playoffs and be kicked out in the 1st 2 rounds (all of this as a best case scenario) for the next 4-6 years depending on how long they sign Boozer for.
No thanks. It's time to move on and start showing that they care about trying for a championship and not accepting the part time play of a one sided player.
I hope they work a sign and trade for Boozer but with this franchise I seriously doubt they would even if some dumb *** team wants Boozer for 6 years.
Lost_Jazz_Fan
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I say we win 3+ more games. Millsap is a gamer and heavily outplayed Boozer in the LA series.
theNBAnerd
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hopper said:
yes, i still think the jazz can retain booz.
as for your second question, the i don't know what the exact win total will be, but i can pretty much guarantee you they won't make the playoffs if the scenario presented in the poll (lose boozer to free agency, don't add anything else) comes true.
ok that's just ridiculous. no utah big man played more passively in that series than millsap. absolutely drove me nuts.
Hopper
Banned
On what conditions and at what cost? Tradin Millsap? Dumpin AK? Payin big luxury tax?
I agree with Nerd that there is no way we win more games with Boozer off the roster. And considering how close the Western conference standings were at the end of last year even a 5 game dip takes us out of the playoffs. That being said. Is an $85 million dollar salary with all the tax money on top worth paying for a team, that unless they get lucky and someone else beats the Lakers for them, is not going to win a championship the way they are currently built.
The Jazz are a worse team without Boozer no question. In the end it depends on how much worse and what can they do after AK's contract comes up at the end of this year to rebuild and get back to being better than they were with Booz.
The Jazz are a worse team without Boozer no question. In the end it depends on how much worse and what can they do after AK's contract comes up at the end of this year to rebuild and get back to being better than they were with Booz.
Hopper
Banned
Take any team in the league and either (1) just add Boozer to their roster, or (2) don't, and you're gunna have a "better team" with option (1) every time. That would be true even if, like on the Olympic team, Boozer was merely the 12th man who only played a few minutes a game.
Kinda goes without sayin. But such possibilities can't just be evaluated in the abstract, isolated from any and all other considerations, as Ben points out.
Kinda goes without sayin. But such possibilities can't just be evaluated in the abstract, isolated from any and all other considerations, as Ben points out.
memo is money
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-Had Carlos not come back from injury that year and damaged the team chemistry and the rhythm that the team previously established, The Jazz could have won 50+ games IMO.
-At least he could have accepted to start the games of the bench. A perfect example of him not being a team-first guy.
-For the poll, I say 5 more losses. Because during the period when Booz was injured and Millsap, without a player backing him up, started at 4, Paul's efficiency constantly decreased as the process progressed. It might have something to do with better scouting on him, as well as Paul's not being ready for taking the starting job at that time. We caould also attribute his lessening effect to his injury.
- Actually, the answer of this poll question is directly related to 1) Memo's injury 2) The development of replacement bigs.