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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Obviously they do what they can. It’s not up to them to fix it. It’s up to them to ask for help, it’s up to us to change and fix it. When someone..... let’s say Archie Moses says them asking for help does nothing that’s you being incapable of feeling compassion and refusing to lift a finger and understanding our responsibility for helping to stamp out systemic racism.

to answer your question, you’re right, it does nothing because you aren’t willing to help or feel anything for your brother from another mother other than criticizing them asking you for help.

it seems all we Americans no is how to get ours. Me me me!!! We truely are idiots!!
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I'm not saying I'm not willing to do nothing. So...
 
Beer said:
Very likely no, but that's not on the cops. They were just doing their job. The no knock policy very likely stems from racism. I still haven't heard any reason for the cops on scene to be arrested. Yes the policy is stupid, the warrant was stupid, someone obviously made a bunch of blunders as they were at the wrong house weren't they? But the cops were just doing their jobs.
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I agree on that point. The real problem is the legality of those actions and lack of accountability by the police.
 
DasJazz said:
You're missing nothing. Her boyfriend opened fire which led to a fire fight and ultimately resulted in her death. The boyfriend should be charged with her murder and the attempted murder of the policemen who he shot.
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I'm sorry, I must have missed your response to me earlier. What instructions did you say she disobeyed? Or Tamir Rice or Philando Castile?

Are you seriously saying that her boyfriend should be charged with her murder for shooting at armed intruders who broke in to his house? For defending his home? Kentucky is a stand your ground state, are you saying that doesn't apply in this case? Why not?
 
One Brow said:
Blake's not rapist. He has abusive (especially towards his family) and got in trouble with the law a lot, but he's not a rapist.

So, did you see Blake do anything in that video where he deserved to be shot? Or, are you just victim-blaming again?
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Third degree sexual assault.
“A person is guilty of third degree sexual assault if he or she is over the age of eighteen (18) years and engaged in sexual penetration with another person over the age of fourteen (14) years and under the age of consent, sixteen (16) years of age.”
 
Beer said:
Very likely no, but that's not on the cops. They were just doing their job. The no knock policy very likely stems from racism. I still haven't heard any reason for the cops on scene to be arrested. Yes the policy is stupid, the warrant was stupid, someone obviously made a bunch of blunders as they were at the wrong house weren't they? But the cops were just doing their jobs.
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Well, one of the officers was fired so there was presumably at least some grounds for dismissal stemming from this. I am also pretty sure that it was the officers themselves who sought the no knock warrant from a judge.

For those on the board who think “just obeying the police” is the solution, imagine with me for a moment if a white man had shot and killed a black police officer in “stand your ground” Florida because that white man was “protecting his home” during the dead of the night from what turned out to be a no knock warrant. Do you really think you would be calling for that white man’s arrest?
 
JazzyFresh said:
The elected officials continue to hamstring. Black people as far worse off financially than they were during the civil rights movement.
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According to whom? Check out the US Census data.

www.census.gov

Historical Poverty Tables: People and Families - 1959 to 2023

Detailed annual tables on poverty across a number of individual and family characteristics. Source: Current Population Survey (CPS)
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Table 2, from rows 225-290. Black poverty rates go from 55% in 1959 to 21% today. That's over half. Whites are also almost halved, from 18% to 10%. Almost all this progress was made during the civil rights movement, but it has been largely unchanged since then.

Notice how throughout this time period, black poverty goes from tripling the white rate to just a little over doubling it? It's progress. Not enough, but it is progress.

JazzyFresh said:
I call absolute bs that guys like Bush Sr, Clinton, Jr, Obama/Biden, and now Trump were completely hamstrung. They were all aware of systemic issues dating back pre Rodney King and every single one did absolutely nothing.
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I thought you were referring to local politicians. I agree that the Presidents have been ineffective
 
One Brow said:
I agree on that point. The real problem is the legality of those actions and lack of accountability by the police.
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The legality of middle of the night no knock is definitely up for debate, I don't think the legality of police returning fire is though.
 
rare144 said:
Those who hate the United States, and there are plenty of tyrants who hate it here and abroad, would love for us to cry "defund" the police so then they can march in UN police.
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Now you've taken a turn into crazy town. You do realize and supposed UN police would be facing the US Military? Militarily speaking, the rest of the world vs. the US seems like, at best for them, an even fight on US land.

I would think the police would be relieved if they didn't have to respond to calls about domestic arguments, and let someone better trained for them take that on.
 
One Brow said:
Poverty and unequal policing. Once you account for those two factors, black households are no more likely to be single parent than whites, and the percentage of people who commit homicides are the same for both races.



1) Your ignorance of the attempts of boor, black people to make their neighborhoods safer is apparent.
2) The anger comes from the life-long differential treatment spilling over, choosing the event almost at random. There are so many events to choose from.



White people have earned the blame and the archetype.
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You've earned the blame Oh great and mighty one, not me, you deal with it. It must be nice seeing the world from such a narrow and dogmatic perspective. Maybe you should venture outside of the comfort of your parent's basement and get a taste of the real world with all its' nuance and deceit. Santa Claus isn't real!

PS Fact check please! Percentage of people who commit homicides is not even close to being the same for both races. Blacks make up just over 13% of the population and account for nearly half of all murders in this country. This is based on Bureau of Justice statistics. Regarding homicide, in 2008 offending rate for blacks was seven time higher than whites and victimization rate was six times higher. In 2013 the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38% of all murders in this country.

Whites do lead in one category however. White men commit 74% of all suicides in this country. But hey we're devils right, I guess we've earned the hatred and imposed guilt by the color of our skin. Idiot!
 
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Ujfanatic said:
Well, one of the officers was fired so there was presumably at least some grounds for dismissal stemming from this. I am also pretty sure that it was the officers themselves who sought the no knock warrant from a judge.

For those on the board who think “just obeying the police” is the solution, imagine with me for a moment if a white man had shot and killed a black police officer in “stand your ground” Florida because that white man was “protecting his home” during the dead of the night from what turned out to be a no knock warrant. Do you really think you would be calling for that white man’s arrest?
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1. Even if the police officers involved sought it it was allowed by law. Law should change for sure.

2. I don't think anyone should be arrested in this case. Fired maybe, but I don't see anything that rises to the level of criminality.
 
gandalfe said:
What instructions did they give Breonna Taylor? Tamir Rice? Philando Castile? (They told him not to reach for his gun. He didn't. So much for "comply and it will be OK," right?)

You have proven yourself, right here, to be an ideologue. Let's see if you are an idiot, too.
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I think the phrase "so much for comply..." Is pretty damn dangerous. No matter what the outcome in an individual situation, it still gives the person far better odds if they comply than if they don't. Nothing aside from never sending the police to do this kind of thing or disarming the police entirely will 100% avoid every situation like this, but complying gives the people involved the best chance at not getting shot. That is indisputable.
 
Beer said:
There is absolutely a 3rd degree sexual assault charge though whose definition includes "Sexual intercourse with a person without consent of that person".
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You can read the actual complaint on line. What Blake did was vile, misogynistic, brutal, and abusive toward his wife, but it was not rape.
 
Release the Kraken said:
You've earned the blame Oh great and mighty one, not me, you deal with it.
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It's collective blame for collective action of a large period of time, the acknowledgment of the benefits that came from those actions.

Release the Kraken said:
It must be nice seeing the world from such a narrow and dogmatic perspective.
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Was that supposed to be funny? Well, I'll laugh anyway. :D:D:D:D

Release the Kraken said:
Maybe you should venture outside of the comfort of your parent's basement and get a taste of the real world with all its' nuances and deceits.
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I've been arguing in favor of nuance and context in looking at people for over 20 years on this board. Go teach your grandma to chew cheese.
 
One Brow said:
There is no rape charge. Your source is lying to you. I'm not surprised you would believe it.
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Because she was 16 and that's the age of consent. I'm glad that makes you feel better. He sounds like a quality human being.


If you guys really wanted things like this to happen less you would advocate not doing stupid things like fighting cops, resisting arrest and reaching into cars for a weapon as much as you go after the police.


It's pretty simple to do both.
 
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