Following Potential 2020 draftees

[Game6Conley]

I truly hate how popular it's become to take shots at James Wiseman's game/skillset/whatever they can cling onto... It's reminiscent of Andre Drummond at UConn tbh.

There's no finer example of how warped this whole 'draft watching' thing has become then this commonplace negativity around Wiseman this year.....


(**EDIT; or actually I can't even say that, because I was tuned into LaMelo's NBL games on twitch and what was being spammed by thousands of kids in that chat was hands down the most warped example I can think of.... but still, the DISTORTION runs rampant, my point remains)

It's unfounded, and a similar phenomena to letting a class full of 2nd graders play the game telephone.

 

[Beer]

I truly hate how popular it's become to take shots at James Wiseman's game/skillset/whatever they can cling onto... It's reminiscent of Andre Drummond at UConn tbh.

There's no finer example of how warped this whole 'draft watching' thing has become then this commonplace negativity around Wiseman this year.

It's unfounded, and a similar phenomena to letting a class full of 2nd graders play the game telephone.

I think the rap on him is more because it is painfully obvious how much less important bigs are to a teams success than scoring wings. And he's no Rudy, Embiid, etc .... so is he really worth taking a gamble on that early?

 

[jom2003]

go back to the old-school saying you can't teach height. Get the guy with the highest physical upside and teach him basketball. It's much easier to teach basketball than to teach a handicapped player to grow taller, run faster, jump higher, etc.

 

[Game6Conley]

go back to the old-school saying you can't teach height. Get the guy with the highest physical upside and teach him basketball. It's much easier to teach basketball than to teach a handicapped player to grow taller, run faster, jump higher, etc.

If this is your plan, the move is to sign Khalil Whitney from the UDFA pool the night of the draft.



6'7" wing with an NBA frame and he's got like a 42" vertical and 7footwingspan... 19 years old..

 

[Game6Conley]

As for Utah trying to select the best raw athletes worthy of the first round with pick 23? If they feel like they can get Jahimus Ramsey in positions to win and to coexist with D. Mitchell, that would be a very fun pairing.

Tyler Bey from Colorado at 6'7" but really explosive and with a great nose for the ball, he could really provide the Jazz with a very different look and massive shot of energy... He's only 6'7" but figures to be a bit of an enforcer vs smallball looks and is an elite rebounder for his size.

Robert Woodard III deserves mention. He's heavy/strong and still can jump real high.

Also I wouldnt do this(Cuz I'd take Robert Woodard) but Cassius Stanley out of Duke is in the mid-40's vertical leap range, and he's really acrobatic and makes for a monstrous lob target, and has been that for many many years, I wouldnt take him at #23 because his offense is kinda gimmicky and hes got very average length, but still I dont think it'd be worse than lets say taking Grayson Allen #23..

 

[Game6Conley]

I think the rap on him is more because it is painfully obvious how much less important bigs are to a teams success than scoring wings. And he's no Rudy, Embiid, etc .... so is he really worth taking a gamble on that early?

but i mean... rudy was no rudy going into the draft... right?

I really hate this whole downplaying of the C's that goes on, it's sensationalized for a few reasons, one of them is scarcity of healthy bigs right now.....

When I watch one of the best teams in the NBA, The Clippers, I see Ivica Zubac out there putting up big stats in few minutes all the time..

I thought Zubac was a lotto talent and he fell to the 2nd rd.. When I watch him these days though, he still looks like a lotto talent to me... /shrug

If Small-ball is the new thing, small-ball breaking units are gonna be the next new thing.. They already exist. The idea that Wiseman is some sort of old model machine, like a Jahlil Okafor type of deal, trying to exist in a fast new world is just something I'm gonna have to see to believe.

 

[Beer]

but i mean... rudy was no rudy going into the draft... right?

I really hate this whole downplaying of the C's that goes on, it's sensationalized for a few reasons, one of them is scarcity of healthy bigs right now.....

When I watch one of the best teams in the NBA, The Clippers, I see Ivica Zubac out there putting up big stats in few minutes all the time..

I thought Zubac was a lotto talent and he fell to the 2nd rd.. When I watch him these days though, he still looks like a lotto talent to me... /shrug

If Small-ball is the new thing, small-ball breaking units are gonna be the next new thing.. They already exist. The idea that Wiseman is some sort of old model machine, like a Jahlil Okafor type of deal, trying to exist in a fast new world is just something I'm gonna have to see to believe.

Sure, you can get functional but never ever have the chance to be great bigs all the time. A big in a good situation will be fine, but will never lead a team to where they want to be. You have a wing with Rudy's measurable's he's going top 5 every time but Rudy went late 20's. Absolute best case he is a borderline all star. Absolute best case for a wing is he's a HOF multiple championship guy. It's like gambling, you are trying to hit the jackpot. You aren't trying to hit the 10x payout,. You want the 100x payout. Wiseman surrounded by a nice team where he can fill a role would be amazing. But banking on Wiseman to be the man, to carry the team, is a bet you will lose 99.99999% of the time.

 

[Game6Conley]

Sure, you can get functional but never ever have the chance to be great bigs all the time. A big in a good situation will be fine, but will never lead a team to where they want to be. You have a wing with Rudy's measurable's he's going top 5 every time but Rudy went late 20's. Absolute best case he is a borderline all star. Absolute best case for a wing is he's a HOF multiple championship guy. It's like gambling, you are trying to hit the jackpot. You aren't trying to hit the 10x payout,. You want the 100x payout. Wiseman surrounded by a nice team where he can fill a role would be amazing. But banking on Wiseman to be the man, to carry the team, is a bet you will lose 99.99999% of the time.

This sounds like poorly thought out drunken fan logic to me... I think your quite clearly just pulling arbitrary numbers out of your *** and throwing around "absolute" for, i guess, dramatic effect... if you knew anything in this thread to an absolute point, you'd surely be making correct predictions here nonstop which isnt the case.

 

[Jose Mayonnaise]

As for Utah trying to select the best raw athletes worthy of the first round with pick 23? If they feel like they can get Jahimus Ramsey in positions to win and to coexist with D. Mitchell, that would be a very fun pairing.

Tyler Bey from Colorado at 6'7" but really explosive and with a great nose for the ball, he could really provide the Jazz with a very different look and massive shot of energy... He's only 6'7" but figures to be a bit of an enforcer vs smallball looks and is an elite rebounder for his size.

Robert Woodard III deserves mention. He's heavy/strong and still can jump real high.

Also I wouldnt do this(Cuz I'd take Robert Woodard) but Cassius Stanley out of Duke is in the mid-40's vertical leap range, and he's really acrobatic and makes for a monstrous lob target, and has been that for many many years, I wouldnt take him at #23 because his offense is kinda gimmicky and hes got very average length, but still I dont think it'd be worse than lets say taking Grayson Allen #23..

Ramsey
Tyler Bey
Woodard

All 3 I've also targeted in my analysis as well. I'd feel great about any of them. Tyler Bey is anywhere from the low teens to the 30's on various Mock Drafts/Big Boards. I really hope he falls to 23.

The Kahlil Whitney kid is intriguing as well.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Say we make moves this offseason and end up top 5 or 10. Assume the new direction of the team is that Mitchell is the centerpiece and everything is built around him.

Who do you want most at that range?

Obi/Don backcourt growing together would be fun. But maybe we just go Okuro or Okungwu.

 

[Game6Conley]

Say we make moves this offseason and end up top 5 or 10. Assume the new direction of the team is that Mitchell is the centerpiece and everything is built around him.

Who do you want most at that range?

Obi/Don backcourt growing together would be fun. But maybe we just go Okuro or Okungwu.

I say swing for the fences and go with Killian Hayes. If that pick is a hit their off the hook for the Conley blunder. The thing is, the price of moving up that high is probably way beyond what Utah is willing to give up.

 

[Game6Conley]

With the Summer and the Draft being staggered this year, sometime soon i'll do one last big bump for the 2022, 2023 and 2024 threads then leave them be til next season.

I'll chime in plenty on the 2020 thread but I really want to get the 2021 one in proper order before things get moving.. With the G-League getting involved there's gonna be more moving parts to track than ever.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

1st Top 30 Big Board

1. LaMelo Ball
2. Killian Hayes
3. Anthony Edwards
4. James Wiseman
5. Tyrese Haliburton
6. Okeyka
7. Cole Anthony
8. Devin Vassell
9. Obi Toppin
10. Jalen Harris
11. Deni Avideji
12.Tyler Bey
13. Isaac Okoro
14. Tyrese Maxey
15. Kira Lewis
16. Precious Achiuwa
17. RJ Hampton
18. Aaron Nesmith
19. Sadiq Bey
20. Tyrell Terry
21. Theo Maldeon
22. Josh Green
23. Poku
24. Jalen Smith
25. Jahmius Ramsey
26. Patrick Williams
27. Robert Woodard
28. Isaiah Joe
29. Immanuel Quickley
30. Desmond Bane

Will be a lot of changes before draft time. This is just to give me a base line to how I feel about most dudes.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

1st Top 30 Big Board

1. LaMelo Ball

Shocked.

Do you like him a lot or is the draft just that bad?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Shocked.

Do you like him a lot or is the draft just that bad?

Yeah, I think it's just a bad draft for top end talent. But I do like him a good deal.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Yeah, I think it's just a bad draft for top end talent. But I do like him a good deal.

He's obviously got a ton of talent. But there are so many red flags with the guy. Not even the same level of prospect as his brother was and Lonzo has been very underwhelming.

Surprised and intrigued that he is your top guy. Hope he works out.

 

[Beer]

He's obviously got a ton of talent. But there are so many red flags with the guy. Not even the same level of prospect as his brother was and Lonzo has been very underwhelming.

Surprised and intrigued that he is your top guy. Hope he works out.

Agreed, I'd put him a whole step below Lonzo.

 

[zyzz]

Sam Vecenie of The Athletic has a new draft based on what he's hearing from front offices. Let me know if there are any players you are interested in where they are on this board.

Top 5:
1. Minn - LaMelo Ball (Minn looking to either move the pick, or move the player eventually if they can't move the pick before the draft)
2. GSW - Anthony Edwards (Lots of smokescreens from GSW saying they like a new player seemingly every day. Also wants to move pick)
3. Charlotte - James Wiseman (Might take an older prospects with more accolades based on their past, but heard early they like Wiseman a lot)
4. Chicago - Deni Avdija
5. Cleveland - Obi Toppin (Heard Avdija and Toppin to Cleveland the most)

Here's his blurb on the Jazz

23. Utah Jazz
Josh Green | 6-6 wing | 19 years old, freshman | Arizona

The Jazz certainly want a wing, but there aren’t a ton of them in this area of the draft unless they’re willing to reach for an older guy like Elijah Hughes or Desmond Bane. And honestly, I’m not totally convinced that such a pick would be a reach, given that I have both ranked ahead of Green on my personal board. But in general, across the league, Green is seen in higher standing than those guys. I also wouldn’t rule out a big man like Daniel Oturu, Zeke Nnaji or Xavier Tillman here.

And players near the Jazz's pick.

19. Brooklyn - Cole Anthony
20. Miami - Tre Jones
21. Philly - RJ Hampton
22. Denver - Isaiah Stewart
24. Milwaukee - Theo Maledon
25. OKC - Jaden McDaniels

 

[Game6Conley]

LaMelo is WAY better than Lonzo...

Trust me on this one it's not even close. Especially at the NBA level.


True Story; When I first posted about LaMelo here, he was no taller than 5'9"(and he was out there getting buckets with his 6'5" brothers confidently)...

 

[Game6Conley]

That Sam Veccine description on Utah's pick in the mock is preposterous. He's got Elijah Hughes and Desmond Bane over Josh Green?!