The off-season strategies (Jazz have limited options)

[homeytennis]

The Greek Freak plays in Milwaukee, have you been there? SLC is better than living in Milwaukee.

Most NBA players would rather play there than SLC. It is 90 miles to Chicago.

 

[NAOS]

The Greek Freak plays in Milwaukee, have you been there? SLC is better than living in Milwaukee.

It’s most certainly the case that not everyone would agree with this. There’s a lot to like about Milwaukee (at least there was 10 years ago).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I disagree. They guys is on the all NBA defensive team. How many players on that team want to play in Salt Lake? I doubt Lebron or the Greek freak will be coming to SLC anytime soon tp play for us.

The super max is really punitive. If it was supermax or trade him... I’d trade him. The last year of a supermax is almost always going to be really bad... only teams with deep pockets should consider it and only if they have a guy who will be a sure fire top ten guy over the life of the deal. You don’t pay for past loyalty... we have paid him well... we helped him develop and invested in him... no need to give a premium because he’s a guy we drafted.

 

[cowhide]

It’s most certainly the case that not everyone would agree with this. There’s a lot to like about Milwaukee (at least there was 10 years ago).

It was somewhat of a joke, people always use they don't want to play in SLC, but it isn't like Milwaukee is LA or Miami. Besides the fact that not everyone wants to live in LA or Miami but the majority would choose those two cities over SLC or Milwaukee. I am sure many people like Milwaukee but I have been to both places and SLC can hold its own on Milwaukee. The reason why he stays in Milwaukee is out of loyalty, money and he has said he is a small town guy.

 

[cowhide]

Most NBA players would rather play there than SLC. It is 90 miles to Chicago.

Thanks for making my point. They rather be in Chicago. No one has time during the week to drive 90 minutes just to have more to do. SLC is a short flight to Vegas if you want to argue that a player can find an alternative to daily living. My main point was that Milwaukee isn't better and could be worse depending on your opinion of the cities. Both cities do not have the appeal of major markets so the location is a wash.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Thanks for making my point. They rather be in Chicago. No one has time during the week to drive 90 minutes just to have more to do. SLC is a short flight to Vegas if you want to argue that a player can find an alternative to daily living. My main point was that Milwaukee isn't better and could be worse depending on your opinion of the cities. Both cities do not have the appeal of major markets so the location is a wash.

Milwaukee has more black people. Some people just don't want to live only by whites.

 

[LoPo]

Giannis is probably gonna leave so what's the point of this argument? He wants to win and that's not happening right now.

Rudy is not a supermax player. He's not the marketing draw and we can lose in the first round without him. Supermax is a business and title contending decision. He isn't absolutely critical for either.

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[Ujfanatic]

Man, for those who said the Jazz would be competing for a playoff spot without Gobert, I think you are seriously undervaluing what Gobert does for this team. Take a look at almost any advanced metric and he comes out in the top 15 in the league. Mitchell doesn’t even get close.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Mitchell and believe he is this team’s future, but without Gobert these last three years the Jazz would have been the Atlanta Hawks. If the Jazz trade Gobert this year for a younger player and/or draft pick, I can almost guarantee we are lottery bound next year. Or should I say, Memphis is lottery bound. (RAPTOR)
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[Handlogten's Heros]

Cap stuff should be finalized this week. Sounds like there will be a flat cap but that everyone wants to push the tax higher. If they don't the FA market will be as dismal as we've ever seen. The number thrown out is like 139M. Would allow us to use full MLE (which would be about 9.2M in that case) without going into the tax if we can dump Ed or TB (could waive and stretch Ed if we found no takers for his deal).

I think it would likely keep JC's market down a bit if cap stays flat... He is at that MLE level and the MLE amount follows the cap. 4 years and a little under $40M would be the most he could get. 4/45-50M would seem like a nice bump in pay to stay put.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

With the short turnaround and limited FA window I do expect us to basically hold firm and maybe make one signing... They might even rationalize the just rolling forward with Tony is the best plan of action since he knows the system... yada yada.

I don't know that we have the time to make the changes that we need to at this point. So I would expect large doses of the same scheme, personnel, etc.

 

[NAOS]

With the short turnaround and limited FA window I do expect us to basically hold firm and maybe make one signing... They might even rationalize the just rolling forward with Tony is the best plan of action since he knows the system... yada yada.

I don't know that we have the time to make the changes that we need to at this point. So I would expect large doses of the same scheme, personnel, etc.

Yup. The pre-Xmas plans doomed us. There isn’t another team in the nba more likely to run it back than teh Jazz

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yup. The pre-Xmas plans doomed us. There isn’t another team in the nba more likely to run it back than teh Jazz

I also think this feeds into a more likely chance of a Favs reunion. DL "He knows the system and his hand pads have only gotten better with experience".

NO doing a big one year overpay has less teeth now too with a 30%+ escrow... 12-15M is more like 8-10M so the future years have more value now... not sure they would commit to a 3+ year deal.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Zach Lowe said he expects Utah and Gobert to sign a deal, but it wont be the full super max.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Zach Lowe said he expects Utah and Gobert to sign a deal, but it wont be the full super max.

Heard that too... It makes the most sense unless he hates DM and the organization or some ****. If he demands super max we trade him and it may not be a place he wants to go. If he plays into the year he risks $120M ish... I know he's already made over $100M but he's not the type of guy that will get a big offer if he sustains an achilles or major knee injury.

He's also just a smart introspective guy. I think he will want to see this through and as long as we are fair with him they work something out.

 

[LoPo]

Zach Lowe said he expects Utah and Gobert to sign a deal, but it wont be the full super max.

If Gobert gives us a deal here, he would be a club legend. If he milks it for every penny he can get, he'll be regretted by the time we reach the last year of his deal. I hope this deal is declining.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I would be quite pleased with 4/$120 million (and a couple ticks higher) for Gobert.

 

[NAOS]

Hopefully Gobert finds some leverage and makes explicit requests for some defensive help on the perimeter (and for some variation on defense, in general). This kind of thing went down in New England with Tom Brady negotiations: they played money ball with the rest of the offense during segments of that dynasty; and there were other times when they threw him a ****ing bone.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

So it sounds like they are running it back. Are we going to be able to use the MLE and keep JC or is it one or the other?


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[NUMBERICA]

Considering that rumors are hitting the waves that the Knicks are down to absorb contracts rather than spend their cap, and we got ourselves new ownership just in time, my thoughts circle back to Conley, Wood, and Gobert.

If you can get off Conley's salary practically outright (taking back Ntilikina - the only palatable 2021 salary they have on the books - makes sense to me as the basis of the package), that positions the Jazz to have more than enough outright cap to push incumbent Detroit (who don't even have Wood's restricted or full Bird Rights) on retaining Wood. The Jordan Clarkson situation gets interesting there, but they could/should still have enough cap space for a sensible >MLE offer whether they retain his Bird Rights or not (he should want to keep them, so that might speed talks along).

If the Jazz can get Wood, I think that gives them serious leverage in Gobert negotiations that they absolutely lack currently. They could go in prepared that he walks on the talks or after the season because they have some kind of answer and have financially committed to it, which would give a two-pronged argument that he should take a sensible extension offer rather than draw a line about a max (or super max, god-forbid). I love Gobert, but he does have some very real weaknesses in playoff basketball situations (teams tend to have stretchier bigs that mitigate his impact, have better coaching staffs, and more time to really key in on ways to take away Gobert's strengths on both sides of the ball since he doubtlessly has a relatively limited skillset for an NBA star). It would certainly make it more likely that the Jazz are able to figure out Gobert situation sooner, rather than let it play out and risk that he walk for nothing because they are in an impossible situation (go beyond the max to sign a guy probably not worth it versus losing the lynchpin of their entire interior philosophy).

I would love to have both and would hate to go into next year with no legit plan for the center position, but that's where we're at right now.

Knicks Open To Taking Back 'Undesirable Contracts' For Assets Via Trade

Knicks Open To Taking Back Undesirable Contracts For Assets Via Trade - RealGM Wiretap

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Considering that rumors are hitting the waves that the Knicks are down to absorb contracts rather than spend their cap, and we got ourselves new ownership just in time, my thoughts circle back to Conley, Wood, and Gobert.

If you can get off Conley's salary practically outright (taking back Ntilikina - the only palatable 2021 salary they have on the books - makes sense to me as the basis of the package), that positions the Jazz to have more than enough outright cap to push incumbent Detroit (who don't even have Wood's restricted or full Bird Rights) on retaining Wood. The Jordan Clarkson situation gets interesting there, but they could/should still have enough cap space for a sensible >MLE offer whether they retain his Bird Rights or not (he should want to keep them, so that might speed talks along).

If the Jazz can get Wood, I think that gives them serious leverage in Gobert negotiations that they absolutely lack currently. They could go in prepared that he walks on the talks or after the season because they have some kind of answer and have financially committed to it, which would give a two-pronged argument that he should take a sensible extension offer rather than draw a line about a max (or super max, god-forbid). I love Gobert, but he does have some very real weaknesses in playoff basketball situations (teams tend to have stretchier bigs that mitigate his impact, have better coaching staffs, and more time to really key in on ways to take away Gobert's strengths on both sides of the ball since he doubtlessly has a relatively limited skillset for an NBA star). It would certainly make it more likely that the Jazz are able to figure out Gobert situation sooner, rather than let it play out and risk that he walk for nothing because they are in an impossible situation (go beyond the max to sign a guy probably not worth it versus losing the lynchpin of their entire interior philosophy).

I would love to have both and would hate to go into next year with no legit plan for the center position, but that's where we're at right now.

Knicks Open To Taking Back 'Undesirable Contracts' For Assets Via Trade

Knicks Open To Taking Back Undesirable Contracts For Assets Via Trade - RealGM Wiretap

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I think we have leverage with Rudy in the general market... who is paying him the max next summer? Someone probably will but it may not be in a great market.

With the Knicks deal... We will never be that aggressive... with a new owner I'm guessing a move that aggressive would have to come from a hard push from DL... we know how he rolls. If you want Wood... And I do want Wood real bad... I think a sign and trade is the most feasible option using a 1st and expirings. That way you aren't gutting the roster on a somewhat risky guy in Wood.