Ooops, just looked and Dedmond isnt even guaranteed for 2021-2022, so it doesnt really give them as much financial gain as I thought.
Doesnt really make any sense anymore for the trade unless they just really really like Bogey.
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Doesnt really make any sense anymore for the trade unless they just really really like Bogey.
homeytennis
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Good article here on Nathan Knight: https://hoopshype.com/2020/11/08/nb...nterview-computer-science-midmajor-prospects/
Udidthizz
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I saw a tweet of his where he listed what he thought would be the most likely positions the Jazz will draft for. PG was 4th, behind a 3&D wing, a stretch big and something I forgot. He made it a point to state that the Jazz were unlikely to draft a PG. That does apply I would think.
Here are some of my comps for draft prospects. Keep in mind, some of these are based on role and impact rather than literal comparison as athletes/measurables.
James Wiseman: He's Deandre Jordan with the potential to do a few Joel Embiid things--shooting, limited postups--assuming teams would want that from him. I wouldn't compare him to Bosh, unless he can really shoot it. He's a significantly better and more mobile athlete than Whiteside, and I wouldn't make that comp.
Anthony Edwards: I don't have a good comp for him. I think his talent level and impact might be comparable to RJ Barrett from last draft. He can get on the rim easier than Barrett, but might not shoot as well. If he completely flops, he'd be Shabazz Muhammad, but he won't completely flop. I'm okay with Oladipo comps--a high-volume, limited-efficiency scorer.
Lamelo Ball: I'd agree with the Shaun Livingston comp. I think he's a bit overrated.
Onyeka Okongwu: Agree with Sam Vecenie's comps. He's the turbo-boosted version of Tristan Thompson. Will be a better rim protector and roll man than Thompson, but not as offensively versatile or laterally quick as Bam Adebayo. I wouldn't compare him to Bam. He can't dribble, pass or shoot much right now, so I'm not super high on him. I think functionally he's only nominally better than Achiuwa and the Stewart kid from Washington when it comes to translating to the modern NBA. He could also be like a mid-career version of Dwight Howard if things really click, but the league is moving away from that type of player.
Tyrese Haliburton: You're hoping he's SGA, but he's not as crafty or downhill with the ball as SGA, so he's like a lesser SGA.
Killian Hayes: I really like him. I agree with the D'lo comps, but he's a more natural floor general and more of a triple-threat than D'lo. His versatility may be a bit underrated.
Aleksej Pokusevski: I really like him and think he's one of the sleepers in this draft. I've compared him to the underclassman version of Keith Van Horn and I'll stick with that. He'll add 20 lbs and look like the Latvian kid on the Wizards Pacesniks, but Poku is much more fluid, mobile and skilled. He could be a legit triple-threat player at 7 feet.
Tyrese Maxey: I like the Coby White comp. He can shoot pretty well, work as a secondary initiator, finish a bit inside. Good athlete, not great. Not as shifty, wiggly or crafty as McCollum.
Patrick Williams: I agree with Vecenie that he could be OG Anunoby, but if his ball skills develop, he could be an All Star-caliber player at the 3, not unlike Jimmy Butler. That's probably a reach, but the ceiling is high.
Saddiq Bey: Nice 3D wing and legit shooter with size. He'll have some nights where he really goes off scoring the ball. He's got more handle and body control than Robert Covington, but I can't quite say he's as talented as TJ Warren. He's somewhere between those two.
Paul Reed: His role and impact could be like Josh Smith--a disruptive defender all over the floor, who can also rebound and go, drive downhill and get on the rim. He's not the same vertical athlete as Smith, but he compensates by being a better horizontal athlete. Like Smith, he has a funky and possibly unreliable jumper.
Josh Green: Should have a role and impact that's similar to Donte Divincenzo. He's not as explosive athletically, but he's bigger and a touch more disciplined. Green can likely swing to play the 3.
Jaden McDaniels: I think he's basically the Kelly Oubre of this draft. He'll do some 3D and make an occasional big play at the rim. I'm not sure his ceiling is really all that high, unless he improves his body and his handle to develop a driving game.
James Wiseman: He's Deandre Jordan with the potential to do a few Joel Embiid things--shooting, limited postups--assuming teams would want that from him. I wouldn't compare him to Bosh, unless he can really shoot it. He's a significantly better and more mobile athlete than Whiteside, and I wouldn't make that comp.
Anthony Edwards: I don't have a good comp for him. I think his talent level and impact might be comparable to RJ Barrett from last draft. He can get on the rim easier than Barrett, but might not shoot as well. If he completely flops, he'd be Shabazz Muhammad, but he won't completely flop. I'm okay with Oladipo comps--a high-volume, limited-efficiency scorer.
Lamelo Ball: I'd agree with the Shaun Livingston comp. I think he's a bit overrated.
Onyeka Okongwu: Agree with Sam Vecenie's comps. He's the turbo-boosted version of Tristan Thompson. Will be a better rim protector and roll man than Thompson, but not as offensively versatile or laterally quick as Bam Adebayo. I wouldn't compare him to Bam. He can't dribble, pass or shoot much right now, so I'm not super high on him. I think functionally he's only nominally better than Achiuwa and the Stewart kid from Washington when it comes to translating to the modern NBA. He could also be like a mid-career version of Dwight Howard if things really click, but the league is moving away from that type of player.
Tyrese Haliburton: You're hoping he's SGA, but he's not as crafty or downhill with the ball as SGA, so he's like a lesser SGA.
Killian Hayes: I really like him. I agree with the D'lo comps, but he's a more natural floor general and more of a triple-threat than D'lo. His versatility may be a bit underrated.
Aleksej Pokusevski: I really like him and think he's one of the sleepers in this draft. I've compared him to the underclassman version of Keith Van Horn and I'll stick with that. He'll add 20 lbs and look like the Latvian kid on the Wizards Pacesniks, but Poku is much more fluid, mobile and skilled. He could be a legit triple-threat player at 7 feet.
Tyrese Maxey: I like the Coby White comp. He can shoot pretty well, work as a secondary initiator, finish a bit inside. Good athlete, not great. Not as shifty, wiggly or crafty as McCollum.
Patrick Williams: I agree with Vecenie that he could be OG Anunoby, but if his ball skills develop, he could be an All Star-caliber player at the 3, not unlike Jimmy Butler. That's probably a reach, but the ceiling is high.
Saddiq Bey: Nice 3D wing and legit shooter with size. He'll have some nights where he really goes off scoring the ball. He's got more handle and body control than Robert Covington, but I can't quite say he's as talented as TJ Warren. He's somewhere between those two.
Paul Reed: His role and impact could be like Josh Smith--a disruptive defender all over the floor, who can also rebound and go, drive downhill and get on the rim. He's not the same vertical athlete as Smith, but he compensates by being a better horizontal athlete. Like Smith, he has a funky and possibly unreliable jumper.
Josh Green: Should have a role and impact that's similar to Donte Divincenzo. He's not as explosive athletically, but he's bigger and a touch more disciplined. Green can likely swing to play the 3.
Jaden McDaniels: I think he's basically the Kelly Oubre of this draft. He'll do some 3D and make an occasional big play at the rim. I'm not sure his ceiling is really all that high, unless he improves his body and his handle to develop a driving game.
I'd say Hayes or Okoro. If teams go for Edwards, Wiseman, Okongwu, Avdija and Ball as the rumors suggest, then Hayes and Okoro could be there at #6. Might even be Patrick Williams if they believe in developing him. Remember it was Dennis Lindsey who fell in love with Kawhi Leonard.
Udidthizz
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I found the tweet and he was talking about the player type the Jazz would select at 23. Perhaps it would be different if they move up, but he also mentioned an Atlanta trade to move up to 6th isn’t even a rumor. There’s nothing there.
Iyeah, it's unlikely they trade for 6 as well. If they trade for 6, I would say that changes what they are going to "likely" do.
FYI, Dallas likes Mike Conley and really wants an expiring contract like his to set them up for FA in 2021. They'd want to move THJ and Delon Wright.
Not sure that moves the needle for ATL though.
Jazz might consider something like this if they were sure they could re-sign Rudy. They wouldn't want Dallas chasing Rudy as a FA.
Not sure that moves the needle for ATL though.
Jazz might consider something like this if they were sure they could re-sign Rudy. They wouldn't want Dallas chasing Rudy as a FA.
Joncolton
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IT certainly would be consistent with Dennis Lindsey's M.O. of drafting the biggest wingspan available. Woodard is 6'4.5 without shoes and has 7'0" wingspan. Also, the San Antonio Spurs like Woodard.
Small schools and overseas are the best chance to get a top 10 pick (talent wise) later in the draft.
zyzz
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Ah, good call. Forgot about that
Yikes, he's as short (or shorter) than Brantley? That's not great.
He's not 6'4.5. More like 6'5.5 to 6'6. He measured 6'7 in shoes.
Amid this long post, it mentions the Hawks may have their eye on a 19+ ppg scorer. Tobias Harris would fit. Maybe a 3-way with Conley could be involved if Jazz looking to move up (though I haven't figured out what might fit for each side -- and I don't really believe this reddit post; it's just fun to think about a bit.)
@Joncolton: where's your info coming from?
Youngest college player in the draft. The drive at 5:52 is textbook Jimmy Butler.
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When you way "19+ ppg scorer," which is kind of an odd thing to say, it sounds a lot like Buddy Hield. I don't think anyone is in a hurry to take Tobias Harris' contract.
Yeah, could be several players besides Harris, almost all of whose contracts are not as troublesome as his. Sounds like Atlanta has a weird mandate from ownership to make the playoffs next year, so they may indeed be trying to get win-now vets. And they have space (at least for the coming year or two) to take contracts that may make other teams blanch. But still, I don't think they're taking Tobias.
So first a disclaimer - I'm a bit late to watching this year's prospects so help me out here. What is the reason Okoro is considered a better prospect than Patrick Williams? I'd take Williams over Okoro pretty easily from what I've seen.
No expert here either, but from what I understand of the consensus, Okoro is:
-clearly better defender (Williams may or may not turn into a high quality defender; Okoro is almost certain to be -- for basketball quickness I think Okoro has the edge)
- less of a project (other than shooting, Okoro's very likely to be strong at most other parts of the game; it's still somewhat iffy with Williams -- footwork needs refining; shot needs speeding up off the catch; needs to figure how to cut down TOs, needs better defensive discipline)
-someone with perhaps the best motor in the class (though Williams is also reputed to be fairly good here)
I personally don't see him as that much of a complete player. I don't think he's an easy transition to the league. You gloss over the shooting like it's nothing or easy to fix. His shooting is bad. I have more faith in Williams' shooting than in Okoros's. And it's not close. Here's Okoro's shooting % - 29% from 3, 67% from FT. 16% from midrange!! I see very little hope of a transition into even an average shooter. I think he becomes something like... worse shooting Winslow at best... or like... a Justin Anderson on the lower end.
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