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No more circumcision in SF?

TheDude said:
Cool... will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Been to court twice on this already this week. The next big date is Thursday when various groups are petitioning the Court to have the measure struck from the ballot (i.e. before people even vote on it) as presumptively invalid.
 
One Brow said:
If you want to pass a law that says every fetus has to be extracted live, fine. Otherwise, the right of the fetus, even if they are considered fully people, don't overrule the rights of the woman carrying it.
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This is the most stupid, dumb, ridiculous argument ever made. Right of the woman? LOL. She had sex didn't she? She knew that when she had sex, there was the chance she would get pregnant, didn't she? It's called consequences. If you aren't ready for a baby, don't have sex. It's pretty simple. The second you have sex, you are opening yourself up to being pregnant, and the consequences that come from being pregnant. To say the woman has a right to kill another person because of a conscious and willing decision she made is just stupid.
 
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One Brow said:
As Ihave made clear, from what I can tell the real motives of most of the anti-abortion crowd is the control of the behaviors of women.
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green said:
This is the most stupid, dumb, ridiculous argument ever made. Right of the woman? LOL. She had sex didn't she? She knew that when she had sex, there was the chance she would get pregnant, didn't she? It's called consequences. If you aren't ready for a baby, don't have sex. It's pretty simple. The second you have sex, you are opening yourself up to being pregnant, and the consequences that come from being pregnant.
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Thank you for offering evidence for my point there. Some people thought I was wrong.

One Brow said:
If you want to pass a law that says every fetus has to be extracted live, fine.
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green said:
To say the woman has a right to kill another person because of a conscious and willing decision she made is just stupid.
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Actually, you quoted a post, which I also just quoted, where I specifically said I have no problem with a law that every fetus has to be extracted live (live as in not killed).
 
LOL. Anti-abortionists are just trying to control women? That is hilarious. No, it's not a control issue, it's a taking responsibility for your actions issue. Have sex. I don't care. I don't care if you get pregnant, an STD, or nothing happens to you but a good night. BUT, if something happens to you, if you get pregnant or an STD, you should be a RESPONSIBLE adult and take responsibility for your actions, and part of that is not killing another life, or telling previous partners of your STD, etc.

I love how you guys love to downplay issues by using words such as "extracted" and "fetus". It is not like I am extracting a damn tooth, it's a human being, with every right to life.
 
green said:
LOL. Anti-abortionists are just trying to control women? That is hilarious.
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Hilarious, and true.

green said:
No, it's not a control issue, it's a taking responsibility for your actions issue. Have sex. I don't care. I don't care if you get pregnant, an STD, or nothing happens to you but a good night.
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Having an abortion is taking responsibility.

green said:
BUT, if something happens to you, if you get pregnant or an STD, you should be a RESPONSIBLE adult and take responsibility for your actions, and part of that is not killing another life, or telling previous partners of your STD, etc.
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Why do you owe something to a life that did not exist at the time you had sex?

green said:
I love how you guys love to downplay issues by using words such as "extracted" and "fetus". It is not like I am extracting a damn tooth, it's a human being, with every right to life.
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As I explicitly agreed. It has a right to live, just not at the mother's expense. If it can go on living with out the mother, it should be allowed to.
 
Hilarious, and true.
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So everyone against abortion is really just pro-control of women, automatically or something? No one is possibly really against abortion because they think killing an unborn child is wrong, it is all about controlling women and there is zero possibility of any other motive? So when they say it is about the unborn child they are all lying and trying to hide the fact that they really think all women are second-class citizens and deserve to be controlled in all aspects of their lives? What about women against abortion? Same there too? I guess it makes it easier to dismiss any and all argument or thought when you can comfortably claim "crazy" is their REAL motive.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So everyone against abortion is really just pro-control of women, automatically or something?
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I've never claimed it was everyone. I've said that the goals are revealed in their rhetoric and qualifications. But that's all the way back on page 10. I would never expect you to follow the link I provided to my statement so you could read it in context. It's much easier to dismiss my argument or thought when you can comfotably claim "crazy" is my real motive.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So everyone against abortion is really just pro-control of women, automatically or something? No one is possibly really against abortion because they think killing an unborn child is wrong, it is all about controlling women and there is zero possibility of any other motive? So when they say it is about the unborn child they are all lying and trying to hide the fact that they really think all women are second-class citizens and deserve to be controlled in all aspects of their lives? What about women against abortion? Same there too? I guess it makes it easier to dismiss any and all argument or thought when you can comfortably claim "crazy" is their REAL motive.
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You fell hard.
 
Why do you owe something to a life that did not exist at the time you had sex?
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So if you fire a bullet do you owe anything to the person who is killed by it, whether they were the intended target or not?
 
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