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Red said:
The 60 Minutes interview....

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Fired director of U.S. cyber agency Chris Krebs explains why President Trump's claims of election interference are false

Chris Krebs, a lifelong Republican, was put in charge of the agency handling election security by President Trump two years ago. When Krebs said the election was the country's most secure ever, Mr. Trump fired him. Now, Krebs speaks to Scott Pelley.
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Good article

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For 4 plus years we had all that evidence about Russia and Trump. He was investigated from start to finish.

A statistical evaluation of the votes show that Trump improved his support from every demographic category of voters, gathering about 11 million more votes than in 2016.


And the cities where Biden made up all that lost ground were all long-standing Dem controlled cities, where in 2018 a set of extreme leftists with a lot of big money backers won elections. Also some of these cities where favs for BLM and antifa operations where little was done to protect property owners. In each case, the count was stopped in the midnight hours, poll watchers senst home until morning, but counting went on, with huge lots of votes added in with over a 90% Biden rate.

Statistical improbabiliies and actually illegal procedures for the count.

Recounting faked ballots doesn't change the fact that it's an over-vote scenario, with in the case of PA more votges counted than eligible voters.

I don't doubt the sincerity of some who believe America needs to be re-made "the right way":. This is a kind of Cloward-Piven strategy where with open borders and extreme irresponsible spending, the institutions or fabric of the old order are being shredded on purpose. Obama has a history of encourging "everyone" to vote. I saw one interview with some non-citizen group leader who asked him if they could vote. He's slick. He always says "everyone" should vote.

People who get concerned about the issue are sometimes called "racists" and such by the baiters lurking in the webz.

From the past two election cycles, thousands of cheaters have been prosecuted, but the sentencing is pretty light and they're all out on the street again, and for sure doing their thing all over again.

I think it's fair enough to say that Kamala Harris as an attorney general in CA is on the record snickering about all the blacks she sent to the hoosegaw and wouldn't let out, while bragging about her own use of illegal crap. Gotta find soft easy prisoners for all the prison beds to keep the private prison establishments profitable for her campaign donors

At any rate, after snarling about Trump for four+ years, the media is all happy now. It's Utopia.

No question our "news" is crap.

But the good news I think is that what with all the tea party candidates getting elected and rolling or bending over for the establishment, the public has now seen why they do that. If they don't, they get blown outta town.

For over a hundred years...... I say 170 years, our politics has been this corrupt. But not so obvious,. It was the wisdom to work things out quietly and outta sight, and very very gradual.

We don't need Trump to fix it. We needed Trump to make it obvious. Now it's gonna get a lot more expensive to buy elections.

As I said above, the true vote was 52% Trump, about 47% Biden, with 4% vote fraud, about 1% actually Trump votes that got switched by the computer software algorithm to Biden.. There were at least 20 different schemes employed, and lot of it was in Dominion computers/software. But the massive Trump vote overwhelmed the preparations and fraud, so the fraudsters had to stop the count, clear the room and make up the difference...... and it took hours. And they had to do those 90%, even 99% Biden vote dumps without being watched.

So that is what is going on. It's damn expensive business, and it's just gonna get worse. With the obvious fraud out now, it's a sort of reverse Cloward-Piven, The American voters are overwhelming the fraud system.

And sites like this that are supposed to create support for the new America are getting a very slim "harvest" of new supporters.

Violating the wisdom of gradualism and forcing the "takeover" to accelerate is going to mean tne end of this damn political agenda.
 
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babe said:
I think it's fair enough for the hearsay rep0orts, and the rather wonderful career. You can look it up. '

Fact check: Kamala Harris and Willie Brown had a relationship over a decade after he separated from wife | Reuters
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That this is your response is even more disturbing.

Kamala Harris is said to have a relationship with a guy and your take is that she conducted her entire professional career "heels up"?

Meanwhile Mr. Toadstool, er, I mean Trump is ****ing prostitutes before, during and after his wives' (plural) pregnancies and you haven't criticized him for that at all.

You're a sexist, misogynistic disgusting person who's stuck in the nasty *** past that we have started to rip ourselves away from and you stand here wanting to drag us back. Get out of my way, I have the future to get to.
 
babe said:
So far, no court has allowed "discovery" from the Trump teams. This is highly suspicious, in fact, reason to overturn all of these courts.

I am not sure even the Supreme Court will give Trump's teams what everyone else is entitled to in civil matters in courts.

These courts are corrupt.

An honest US AG would be setting up grand juries to investigate all of these judges. Gottra be a money trail to some offshore account owned by some member of these judges' families.


Like Biden.
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Ron didn't like this.

A lot of people are disgusted with the failure of establishment Republican figures who won't investigate things, while Trump got investigated and "resisted" for unsubstantiated and now proven cooked up charges. The media has also lost a lot of people who now are just disgusted with the current "news" which isn't news but crap.

With Trump gone.....

No l I don't think Trump will run again. He split the Republican party and the Democratic base, and there will be a new alignment. A lot of good people are on thata trail.

Thank God. No more Romney. No more Bush.

I rather think Biden might be a bot. His frail corpse and very suggestible brain dominated by spastic reflexes have been wired for Xi. No, that's not fair, really. Xi is a "real" puppet, too.

But the problem the Bigs have is that Xi isn't gonna play the game the way he's being told. And it will become a real issue who is the boss of who. Well, Xi is also in bad health. It's likely that a new generation sort will rise to the top there in his place, more like a "Young Turk" with even worse ideas about expansion and control. The Bigs have a poor record on that score. They do better with oldsters in power. There's been a lot of youngsters they couldn't run easily. Most of them died early.
 
babe said:
Recounting faked ballots doesn't change the fact that it's an over-vote scenario, with in the case of PA more votges counted than eligible voters.
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1.8 million ballots were mailed out in Pennsylvania, but 2.5 million were returned. This claim conflates ballots sent in the primary (1.8 million) with the number returned (2.6 million) in the general. More than 3 million ballots were requested for the general election.


Trump has repeated this one a few times, including in his Fox interview yesterday:

There are hundreds of sworn affidavits proving that fraud occurred. There are not. There are, instead, hundreds of sworn affidavits in which Trump supporters articulate things they saw, usually while serving as untrained volunteers observing the vote-counting process. As we’ve reported repeatedly, those statements rarely even allege fraudulent activity. Most instead document suspicious-seeming things, allegations that the city of Detroit aptly described as being “grounded in an extraordinary failure to understand how elections function.”

Just because someone is willing to swear under oath that they saw something happen doesn’t mean that what they saw happen was what they believed it to be.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Hey babe with all this voter fraud by the democrats why didn't they take over senate and increase their majority in the house during this election cycle? I mean since they were all cheating anyway.

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The best laid plans of fraudsters are hardly ever all that good. And it's expensive.

Like I've said, there was a stronger turnout for Trump and others than they thought, or could prepare for.
 
So, basically, it comes down to this: Trump states that he won. Therefore, he won. No evidence is needed, no evidence is offered. He won because he said he won. That’s good enough for his true believers.

It’s Trump’s ultimate act of creating his own reality. Isn’t that what he did for 4 years anyway? Create an alternate universe with the alternative facts first introduced to the electorate by KellyAnne Conway?

Over and over, he distorted reality to suit himself. Again and again he proclaimed things were one way when it was clear they were not. No matter, to his followers, reality is what Trump tells them reality is.

Donald Trump believes he can create his own reality by proclamation. And this is the ultimate act of that strategy.

“I won, I won, I won”.
 
Red said:
1.8 million ballots were mailed out in Pennsylvania, but 2.5 million were returned. This claim conflates ballots sent in the primary (1.8 million) with the number returned (2.6 million) in the general. More than 3 million ballots were requested for the general election.

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Don't be just stupid. Do you do stuff like this just to try to confuse the issue, or are you this confused.

Of course a percentage of ballots don't come back at all. The allegation is that some are illegally returned/cast, while there are additional "counting" in the counthouse.

If the return rate is higher than "normal" it's a little suspicious. If there are people showing up to vote who are being told "you've already voted" it's an open question whether the officials are preventing fraud, or exposing it in the form of ballots mailed out that got intercepted and voted by someone.
Red said:
This is a bridge too far, and sufficient for me to conclude you really are just making it up as you go along. Judges won’t buy into Rudy’s nonsense? Therefore, the judges are part of the “massive fraud”. It’s way too easy. Just keep adding players to the mix. You don’t believe a single word of this. Not a word. IMHO.
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I need more facts than I can find on the webz to "believe" anything. However, that doesn't mean I don't have some good reason for what I say.

I know, or have known, judges who are that corrupt. Personal experience.

It's a culture of corruption. A sort of "way things are", opportunistic but also common enough a lot of judges won't fight it. Go along to get along. Not on every case maybe, but hey when the "right" people need you, you help out.

In PA, the case is really that bad.

In the words of Pat Toomey, who should know, Trump's legal would go nowhere, because "He doesn't have institutional support." That's an open statement that the facts don't matter in PA courts unless you're someone they want to "support".
 
Lot's of lawyer talk above but if you have questions about why Trump's legal claims have gone nowhere, watch it. Or don't.

Plain talk, none of Trump's game changing claims have had ANY substance. Nothing his campaign is arguing will change the election.

Bottom line -- There is NOTHING for the SCOTUS to review that would change the outcome of the election. If you've been hanging on expecting the SCOTUS to declare Trump the next President you are massively misinformed.

Biden won the election and will be inaugurated on 01-20-21.

Game. Seal. Match.
 
Red said:
The 60 Minutes interview....

www.cbsnews.com

Fired director of U.S. cyber agency Chris Krebs explains why President Trump's claims of election interference are false

Chris Krebs, a lifelong Republican, was put in charge of the agency handling election security by President Trump two years ago. When Krebs said the election was the country's most secure ever, Mr. Trump fired him. Now, Krebs speaks to Scott Pelley.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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www.theguardian.com

Trump lawyer: ex-election security chief Krebs should be 'taken out and shot'

Joe DiGenova condemned for ‘mob attorney’ remark made on podcast shown on conservative Newsmax TV
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“Anybody who thinks the election went well,” he said, “like that idiot Krebs who used to be the head of cybersecurity, that guy is a class A moron. He should be drawn and quartered. Taken out at dawn and shot.”

 
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babe said:
The best laid plans of fraudsters are hardly ever all that good. And it's expensive.

Like I've said, there was a stronger turnout for Trump and others than they thought, or could prepare for.
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Lol. It wouldnt cost anymore. They would just change the votes for senate from republican to Democrat at the exact same time and on the same ballot that they changed from trump to Biden.

And if the fraud wasn't all that good then it would be proven in court rather than the exact opposite.

You are really reaching on this stuff. Your brainwashing is working well. Your overlords are pleased.

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Red said:
All you’re doing is making a complete fool out of yourself.
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He said more ballots were received than were requested. You explain to him how and why he was wrong. He moves the goalposts.
Babe is disingenuous. Also, crazy.

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I’ve read a couple of reports suggesting, based on anonymous administration officials, of course, that Trump advanced the election fraud claims as, in part at least, a sort of payback for years of accusations involving collusion with Russia in the 2016 election.

I can understand revenge where Trump is concerned. Easily. (But, might as well point out that in calling on the Russians to find and release Hillary emails, which they then did the same day, and in Trump Jr. being willing to meet with and listen to alleged “dirt” on Hillary, their campaign did engage in collusion. Just no proof of active conspiracy between Russia and Trump).

But, in this interpretation, it is, in part, payback for those who considered his own election to be tainted.

However, with Trump, look to the ego for real understanding. Recall, even in winning in 2016, he was unable to live with losing the popular vote. He had to, and he did, claim that Hillary could only have won the popular vote because 3 million illegal aliens voted for Hillary. He could not allow himself to be seen as a loser of the popular vote.

This latest claim of fraud in 2020 is also because he cannot allow himself to be seen as a loser. That has to be one major reason behind his claims, and, as we’ve seen, the most fruitcake conspiracy theories are advanced, in a truly desperate attempt to steal the election, and avoid being a loser. Literally. He’ll always be a winner in his alternative reality.

That said, I believe another goal is to convince his followers that he did win the 2020 election, and, by so doing, help cripple a Biden administration from the get go. This is putting self above country. And that too is to be expected from Trump. He will always put himself before his nation. And this has indeed worked with his followers, and Republicans in general. Which is damaging to our democracy. So many times he accused others of being the “enemies of the people”. But it is Trump who was America’s biggest enemy, and he still is...
 
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