Can We Please Just Waive NWG?

[Handlogten's Heros]

HH: "Omg DL just laser focuses on a prospect and won't give up"

Also HH: *writes 1000th post crying about not signing Shaq Harrison*

I mean the thread wasn’t supposed to be about Shaq but people brought him up so I went with it.

my apologies for suggesting that maybe DL is not doing anything other than an A+ job... now please go on telling us about our current players who are all world beaters...

TB =Poor mans Aldridge
NWG =Monte Morris
Forrest = better version of Shaq

Have any others to share?

 

[NAOS]

You guys have some awful analogies lol.

I get it, the FO sucks and made some terrible decisions. But if we can't talk objectively about their moves or process, it's not much different than blindly following and supporting everything they do. I can't follow this logic of the Jazz suffering because their conservative, reactive, not aggressive ect. when they just made one of the worst moves of the past decade and possibly squandered the careers of Gobert + Mitchell. We're in a bad spot because of aggressive, yet awful moves.

I suppose that it is a more pleasant existence to look at everything negative, because you're either pleasantly surprised or you were right and you can try to brag about it online. But this is how you can turn into a maniac going over NWG vs some other player that no team wants

It doesn’t sound like you’re struggling to step back and take a look at how the org has botched the last 2 offseasons. Or how it could all get much worse than it stands right now depending on what happens with Gobert. And maybe we play it out this season with Rudy and lose him next offseason for nothing, completing a hat trick of ******** offseasons.

And yet you’re in here trying to sound so reasonable, with all 20 fingers and toes stuck in a leaking dam. Cool. We should all follow.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There are going to be a lot of solid players just sitting at home training during the NBA season.

So just maybe... just maybe... see if you can follow me here... we should sign one of those guys now and waive NWG... maybe someone could even start a thread about it.

 

[NAOS]

We still got people crying about Shaq Harrison when we signed his younger more talented clone.

Still struggling to see the evidence for this now oft-repeated claim.

 

[NAOS]

So just maybe... just maybe... see if you can follow me here... we should sign one of those guys now and waive NWG... maybe someone could even start a thread about it.

Nah, get yr hands off Ryan’s dough.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Nah, get yr hands off Ryan’s dough.

That’s the thing... it wouldn’t even cost any additional dough because NWG is non guaranteed and we could replace his minimum salary with another minimum salary

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Still struggling to see the evidence for this now oft-repeated claim.

Cy doesn’t work off of evidence. He works off of lmao and lolz.

 

[NAOS]

Cy doesn’t work off of evidence. He works off of lmao and lolz.

He also has me on ignore. Oh well.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He also has me on ignore. Oh well.

It’s prolly better. He generally offers no substance and if you compare two players he doesn’t agree with he’s likely to call you a racist.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Still struggling to see the evidence for this now oft-repeated claim.

Trent Forrest College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Trent Forrest - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more

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Shaquille Harrison College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Shaquille Harrison - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more

www.sports-reference.com

Nearly identical advanced stats throughout 4 year career. Scout videos suggest their playstyles are very similar.

Both are terrible outside shooters coming out of school, but Forrest has a very good FT% and excellent touch on runners/floaters so it suggest he could eventually become a spot-up shooter.

Forrest played in the tougher conference and is the all-time leader in wins for Florida State.

Here is a good write up on Forrest: https://www.thestepien.com/2020/06/30/potential-draft-values-2nd-round-udfa/



Very Shaq Harrison-esque defensive highlights.

 

[KqWIN]

It doesn’t sound like you’re struggling to step back and take a look at how the org has botched the last 2 offseasons. Or how it could all get much worse than it stands right now depending on what happens with Gobert. And maybe we play it out this season with Rudy and lose him next offseason for nothing, completing a hat trick of ******** offseasons.

And yet you’re in here trying to sound so reasonable, with all 20 fingers and toes stuck in a leaking dam. Cool. We should all follow.

This FO has had more than enough legitimate failures. You shouldn't have to reach and call everyone a fanboy if they point out a critique that doesn't make sense. When you get caught lying and shake it off as "whatevs"...yeah I can tell there's no more reasonable conversation to be had.

 

[NAOS]

Trent Forrest College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Trent Forrest - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more

www.sports-reference.com

Shaquille Harrison College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Shaquille Harrison - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more

www.sports-reference.com

Nearly identical advanced stats throughout 4 year career. Scout videos suggest their playstyles are very similar.

Both are terrible outside shooters coming out of school, but Forrest has a very good FT% and excellent touch on runners/floaters so it suggest he could eventually become a spot-up shooter.

Forrest played in the tougher conference and is the all-time leader in wins for Florida State.

Here is a good write up on Forrest: https://www.thestepien.com/2020/06/30/potential-draft-values-2nd-round-udfa/



Very Shaq Harrison-esque defensive highlights.

I want this to be true. Thank you for this post. The brutal fact remains that Shaq has done this in the nba and Forrest has not. It hurts your post when you don’t acknowledge this obviousssssss difference.

 

[NAOS]

This FO has had more than enough legitimate failures. You shouldn't have to reach and call everyone a fanboy if they point out a critique that doesn't make sense. When you get caught lying and shake it off as "whatevs"...yeah I can tell there's no more reasonable conversation to be had.

You quoted me, but it’s hard to tell if you’re responding to me directly or if you’re putting some straw man on blast.

 

[NAOS]

Trent Forrest College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Trent Forrest - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more

www.sports-reference.com

Shaquille Harrison College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Shaquille Harrison - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more

www.sports-reference.com

Nearly identical advanced stats throughout 4 year career. Scout videos suggest their playstyles are very similar.

Both are terrible outside shooters coming out of school, but Forrest has a very good FT% and excellent touch on runners/floaters so it suggest he could eventually become a spot-up shooter.

Forrest played in the tougher conference and is the all-time leader in wins for Florida State.

Here is a good write up on Forrest: https://www.thestepien.com/2020/06/30/potential-draft-values-2nd-round-udfa/



Very Shaq Harrison-esque defensive highlights.

Some good highlights in there. But also a lot of gambles that paid off because he didn’t have to be glued to his man. He looks like he could be amazing in the passing lanes. His ability to shut down dribble penetration at the point of attack wasn’t featured. I’d love to see some of that because that’s where we’re smeared dog ****.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This FO has had more than enough legitimate failures. You shouldn't have to reach and call everyone a fanboy if they point out a critique that doesn't make sense. When you get caught lying and shake it off as "whatevs"...yeah I can tell there's no more reasonable conversation to be had.

I ain't lying... WTF... I am saying whatevs because if you feel you want to be right then be right... that part of the argument isn't worth my time and is completely uninteresting to me.

The fact that Shaq has not signed does not change the fact that we should waive NWG and find a better option... and that is best done before training camp... cool! THIS AINT JUST ABOUT SHAQ.

 

[KqWIN]

I ain't lying... WTF... I am saying whatevs because if you feel you want to be right then be right... that part of the argument isn't worth my time and is completely uninteresting to me.

The fact that Shaq has not signed does not change the fact that we should waive NWG and find a better option... and that is best done before training camp... cool! THIS AINT JUST ABOUT SHAQ.

Ok. I guess we'll just ignore when you said I made all these bad assumptions, despite me saying the exact opposite over and over. Whatevs, I guess I'm just a fanboy. Remember that time you said DL was the greatest GM of all time? oh wait, you didn't say that. But whatevs....I'm just calling you a fanboy from now on. Who cares what you said or didn't say.

 

[NAOS]

Ok. I guess we'll just ignore when you said I made all these bad assumptions, despite me saying the exact opposite over and over. Whatevs, I guess I'm just a fanboy. Remember that time you said DL was the greatest GM of all time? oh wait, you didn't say that. But whatevs....I'm just calling you a fanboy from now on. Who cares what you said or didn't say.

You’re acting more injured than you should be. You’ve brought some good, measured questions and doubts to this discussion, but the injured thing isn’t necessary or a particularly good look.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I want this to be true. Thank you for this post. The brutal fact remains that Shaq has done this in the nba and Forrest has not. It hurts your post when you don’t acknowledge this obviousssssss difference.

This... he's been through the league a few times already and has studied some of the guys and has a few reps. Forrest may be his clone but getting the actual guy saves some time. Its very unlikely that rookies contribute this season as they won't have summer league or the extra time to get in shape... nevermind the condensed training camp and pre-season.

 

[KqWIN]

You’re acting more injured than you should be. You’ve brought some good, measured questions and doubts to this discussion, but the injured thing isn’t necessary or a particularly good look.

Well, I can't lie. Nothing makes me more salty than repeating myself 10 times, only to be ignored and called a fanboy because..."whatevs".

Next time I'm having a conversation with someone, I will do the right thing. Make up something, say they said it, then say whatevs if they question me about it.

 

[NAOS]

Well, I can't lie. Nothing makes me more salty than repeating myself 10 times, only to be ignored and called a fanboy because..."whatevs".

Next time I'm having a conversation with someone, I will do the right thing. Make up something, say they said it, then say whatevs if they question me about it.

You’ve drastically mischaracterized the features of the discussion you’ve had with HH and infection. This further reveals the extent of your injury. I hope you heal up and bring more of some of the good stuff you’ve got in your bag.