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No, this trade makes us worse short term and really doesnt help us long term either. I would rather just keep Conley and let him expire and maybe re-sign him if he fits better and its a good deal. Or my preference is to wait and see if a really good option opens up. The NBA landscape changes fast and could be very different come trade deadline. Keep our options open for a good deal, if one doesnt come then we can decide at the deadline if there is a decent option or just to ride with him if we are doing well.

I hope we can use his salary to land a solid player locked up longer that fits in with this team. But I think the most likely is we are in win now mode and we wont find a better player then him we can trade for. So we will roll with him and see.
 
Now that Don is running the offense while Conley spots up, its only a matter of time before we look at what we can get for Conley. We need a better defender in the lineup with Don. Conley, and especially his contract, represents our last expendable asset.

We need to wait until around the deadline. Conley is great injury insurance, and helps us in the grind of a season. We also need to wait to see who becomes available. Who gets disgruntled or is surplus to requirements.

Guys I'm monitoring:

Rozier and Zeller
Tobias Harris
Aaron Gordon and Fournier
Blake Griffin
Harrison Barnes and Cory Joseph
Bledsoe and JJ Redick
Julius Randle and Ntilikina

If we trade Conley, we need to get an asset that helps more than just this year. We are that low on assets for future growth.

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LoPo said:
Now that Don is running the offense while Conley spots up, its only a matter of time before we look at what we can get for Conley. We need a better defender in the lineup with Don. Conley, and especially his contract, represents our last expendable asset.

We need to wait until around the deadline. Conley is great injury insurance, and helps us in the grind of a season. We also need to wait to see who becomes available. Who gets disgruntled or is surplus to requirements.

Guys I'm monitoring:

Rozier and Zeller
Tobias Harris
Aaron Gordon and Fournier
Blake Griffin
Harrison Barnes and Cory Joseph
Bledsoe and JJ Redick
Julius Randle and Ntilikina

If we trade Conley, we need to get an asset that helps more than just this year. We are that low on assets for future growth.

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Rozier would certainly be interesting. He’s only got 2 years left. I like his intensity. Looks like he bumped his three point shooting on high volume. I’d probably pull the trigger on that.

Tobias isn’t an upgrade on D. He’s just taller. I’d probably pass on that.

Gordon and Fournier is interesting. I’m a little lukewarm on both. If you had the former’s defense with the latter’s offense, I’d say yes. Gordon would give us a size and physique that we don’t have, but I’m not sure I’d really want him on the floor that much. If he was used situationally then maybe.

Griffin is a big no. Not an upgrade defensively.

Barnes’ contract runs 3 more years and not sure I’m excited about that. I’ve never been too high on him. I don’t know much about his defense, though. He’d be more of a question mark that I’d have to look more at.

Bledsoe and Reddick is very interesting. I’m big on Reddick (wanted him since draft). Bledsoe has a reputation for being tough and a defender. But I haven’t paid attention so I’m really just reporting reputation. Not an amazing outside shooter but not Rubio. Contract is longer than I’d like (3 more years) but certainly an interesting concept.

Randle and Franky Smokes. How does this help on D? Hard pass.
 
infection said:
Rozier would certainly be interesting. He’s only got 2 years left. I like his intensity. Looks like he bumped his three point shooting on high volume. I’d probably pull the trigger on that.

Tobias isn’t an upgrade on D. He’s just taller. I’d probably pass on that.

Gordon and Fournier is interesting. I’m a little lukewarm on both. If you had the former’s defense with the latter’s offense, I’d say yes. Gordon would give us a size and physique that we don’t have, but I’m not sure I’d really want him on the floor that much. If he was used situationally then maybe.

Griffin is a big no. Not an upgrade defensively.

Barnes’ contract runs 3 more years and not sure I’m excited about that. I’ve never been too high on him. I don’t know much about his defense, though. He’d be more of a question mark that I’d have to look more at.

Bledsoe and Reddick is very interesting. I’m big on Reddick (wanted him since draft). Bledsoe has a reputation for being tough and a defender. But I haven’t paid attention so I’m really just reporting reputation. Not an amazing outside shooter but not Rubio. Contract is longer than I’d like (3 more years) but certainly an interesting concept.

Randle and Franky Smokes. How does this help on D? Hard pass.
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I was just spitballing... and you make some good points.

Rozier - maybe Charlotte is content moving forward with Ball and Graham as PG options. Conley lets them shed some cap.

Tobias is also an "meh" from me. He helps us more than Conley but the price tag is huge. Maybe 3rd team?

Gordon and Fournier would cost us draft assets too, but if we added them at the deadline, holy cow we're stacked for a run.

Griffin all depends on 1 - how is he looking and 2 - what else does Detroit give. I think Griffin helps us more than Conley.

That Barnes deal is a stretch I agree. That's more of a 3 team deal where Sac sheds Barnes and we get something. Charlotte?

Bledsoe and Redick makes some sense. If NOLA isn't in the playoff picture at the deadline, I could see them trading these vets.

Randle and Frank is about us avoiding the luxury this year, and NY saving $4 million next year. And we would have the bird rights for Frank should we want to keep him long term. I would prefer that we move Randle to a 3rd team.
 
I do like the Bledsoe/Redick trade.

Bledsoe / Redick
Mitchell / Clarkson
Royce / Shaq
Bojan / Ingles (the PG)
Gobert / Favors
 
Xthren said:
Actually, the trade of Conley for OPJ make a lot of sense

Mitchell, Harrison, Forrest
O'Neale, Clarkson, Oni
OPJ, Ingles, Hughes
Bogey, Niang, Morgan
Gobert, Favors, Azubuike

Saves the Jazz 6 million and puts us under the cap. Chicago gets a mentor for White. I would guess Chicago would want some draft considerations also sense they are saving the Jazz a ton of money.
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I do not think we should entrust the bench to Harrison/Clarkson on a nightly basis.
 
Guys... adding salary in place of Mike for next year means like 25-75M in tax plus salary... whoever you get better be a guaranteed title.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Guys... adding salary in place of Mike for next year means like 25-75M in tax plus salary... whoever you get better be a guaranteed title.
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Ryan's money. If he thinks he can pay the tax, better take advantage of these first few years (aligning with our Gobert/Mitchell window) before the financial plane crashes and burns. It's time to go out on a bender.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Guys... adding salary in place of Mike for next year means like 25-75M in tax plus salary... whoever you get better be a guaranteed title.
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Well the logic of signing Rudy to such a big deal was to maximize the window. Put the best team out there. With the contracts signed this year and last, we have very few ways to improve the roster. If Conley doesn't fit, we have to use his large expiring to add if we can since we have limited options elsewhere.

A trade that allows us to miss the luxury this year might give us some incentive to spend a bit more next year and possibly the year after. By 21-22, hopefully we are back to full stadiums and a larger luxury cost might be worth it.

I just don't think we can allow Mike to expire and walk for nothing. Maximize every asset.
 
infection said:
Ryan's money. If he thinks he can pay the tax, better take advantage of these first few years (aligning with our Gobert/Mitchell window) before the financial plane crashes and burns. It's time to go out on a bender.
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Right, but when you are spending 75M of that money for an upgrade and what you come up with is one extra year of Bledsoe or Rozier... that's uhhh not great.

I realize Mike isn't good defensively anymore but swapping him for Rozier doesn't make us meaningfully better. Bledsoe does but he has his own injury concerns and the shooting is a problem. I think he becomes a 15-20 minute guy in the playoffs... I think I can get 15 minutes out of Shaq and keep Mike and be better off this year in the playoffs. Creation gets a little harder and having Mike is beneficial.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right, but when you are spending 75M of that money for an upgrade and what you come up with is one extra year of Bledsoe or Rozier... that's uhhh not great.

I realize Mike isn't good defensively anymore but swapping him for Rozier doesn't make us meaningfully better. Bledsoe does but he has his own injury concerns and the shooting is a problem. I think he becomes a 15-20 minute guy in the playoffs... I think I can get 15 minutes out of Shaq and keep Mike and be better off this year in the playoffs. Creation gets a little harder and having Mike is beneficial.
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I'd actually do it more for Redick. Bledsoe is just a nice defensive addition piece.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right, but when you are spending 75M of that money for an upgrade and what you come up with is one extra year of Bledsoe or Rozier... that's uhhh not great.

I realize Mike isn't good defensively anymore but swapping him for Rozier doesn't make us meaningfully better. Bledsoe does but he has his own injury concerns and the shooting is a problem. I think he becomes a 15-20 minute guy in the playoffs... I think I can get 15 minutes out of Shaq and keep Mike and be better off this year in the playoffs. Creation gets a little harder and having Mike is beneficial.
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I see that argument. It makes sense. Conley may be more important come playoff time.

I also see the value in avoiding the luxury this year. By avoiding the luxury this year, we stand to save a ton next year by avoiding the repeater tax. And if we lose Conley for nothing in the summer, that's a lost asset.
 
LoPo said:
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So my trade idea would save 12M this year while getting Ariza and Hill for this year plus Hill for next year and only cost 12.75M since we’d be over the tax by 8M. That is using the assumption that the cap and hard cap stays at 109M/132M too.

We also get an asset for an extra year rather than Conley leaving for nothing. I don’t know but it sounds reasonable to me.
 
White Chocolate said:
So my trade idea would save 12M this year while getting Ariza and Hill for this year plus Hill for next year and only cost 16.25M since we’d be over the tax.

We also get an asset for an extra year rather than Conley leaving for nothing. I don’t know but it sounds reasonable to me.
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I like the logic behind the trade, I'm just not sold on those players. If we could turn this into a 3 team trade for a team that wants Hill/Ariza, I'm interested.

After looking at the numbers, it's pretty clear that we need to avoid the luxury this year since we are close enough. Next year is a monster year with Don, Rudy and Joe extensions coming in.
 
LoPo said:
I like the logic behind the trade, I'm just not sold on those players. If we could turn this into a 3 team trade for a team that wants Hill/Ariza, I'm interested.

After looking at the numbers, it's pretty clear that we need to avoid the luxury this year since we are close enough. Next year is a monster year with Don, Rudy and Joe extensions coming in.
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You look around the league at who would want to take Conley plus what we could take back and the options are slim. OKC has cap room and has willingly taken on salary already.
 
White Chocolate said:
You look around the league at who would want to take Conley plus what we could take back and the options are slim. OKC has cap room and has willingly taken on salary already.
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Check teams with trade exceptions as well.
I'm actually starting to wonder if the Jazz just intend to bring Conley back at a reduced salary next year. That probably makes the most sense for everyone, especially if the Jazz are a top 3 seed this year.
 
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