Conley wants to resign. “Utah’s got me.”

[LoPo]

If he re-signs, I hope it is one year at a time. Include a no-trade clause if we have to. He has been a revelation this year, and I think his contract year status is at least partly the reason why. And if he's so happy here, he should be happy getting paid one year at a time.

Lakers did the same with Caldwell-Pope a few times. Slightly overpaid him on a one year deal that included a no-trade clause.

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[Ron Mexico]

Huh... a few years down the road we are deep at the wing huh? I mean we will have DM and Royce... likely JC but will need to replace 3 key rotation players.

Y’all are acting like centers are impossible to find. They are the easiest thing to find on the market right now. I’m sorry that Tony wasn’t good and that Ed was washed and also way too ****ing small to play as a drop big but solid backup 5s are pretty easy to find. Jeff Withey was a solid backup as was Udoh.

Position matters in drafting but especially at center because you can’t play two of them together if they can’t shoot. Whereas you can play two shooting guards two point guards multiple wings etc. it’s not that hard. If Udoka was a few tiers ahead of other guys and there weren’t good wing or guard prospects to choose from then by all means play the card you were dealt. But to invest a first and three years to develop a backup center is some stupid *** ****. GUYS... we have seen this ****ing movie before. We took TB instead of White and Hart... it was some stupid **** then, and while Udoka is a better prospect than TB, it is still some stupid **** now.

You sound like every other teams fan in the NBA when they face us. Good centers like Gobert are easy to find! Ours will be like him soon, lol.

No drafted wing would break the rotation this year or likely next year. So it's all the same. After that? It's a crap shoot at every position. Good players will rise up in practice and even little playing time.

It's poor logic to say we missed in the draft on a center so we shouldn't draft a center again. Those two have no correlation.

Those two backup centers you mentioned are both bad examples for your argument. You're also forgetting that Gobert wasn't re-signed yet.

I'm glad the front office is making smart decisions to draft the player they think is the best prospect available regardless of position. Bad teams always do the opposite.

Regardless of how good dok turns out they should adjust their determination of who the best player is, not positional priority. Even though even if you go by position center is as much of a need as anywhere else.

 

[gomretat]

Our system is also built around lots of guys that can shoot pass and dribble. We need more of them than we need rim protectors.

Also systems are built on star talent. We may not find another Rudy or anything close. If we had Capela instead of Rudy how much worse are we? Enough that we might consider another type of system? Rudy is a generational defender... will GS be hunting for the next Steph to replace the current one?

The system works because Rudy is a superstar defender. There is more than one way to skin a cat and you need different styles in certain playoff matchups. Say we had taken Xavier Tillman instead of Udoka... he can pass and is switch while proving some rim defense... not what Rudy brings obvi but Favs is a steep drop off from Rudy too. But it gives you a different look you might be able to take advantage of... he’s also shown some potential to shoot. He’s also a rookie and a fully functional backup right now... BUt CenTerS TakES So Longs tOo Develops?!?!?

And finding guys that can shoot and dribble is much easier than finding a rim protector. Much easier. I get that the pick has risk but I love the gamble. Dok has the length and more athleticism than Rudy and it took us multiple years with a lot of work for Rudy to develop. I hope in two years Dok replaces Favs.

 

[framer]

And finding guys that can shoot and dribble is much easier than finding a rim protector. Much easier. I get that the pick has risk but I love the gamble. Dok has the length and more athleticism than Rudy and it took us multiple years with a lot of work for Rudy to develop. I hope in two years Dok replaces Favs.

I mean we GOT a guy that can shoot and dribble in that draft. It just wasn't one of the guys that these people spent two years discussing so they sore.

 

[LogGrad98]

I mean we GOT a guy that can shoot and dribble in that draft. It just wasn't one of the guys that these people spent two years discussing so they sore.

And he's injured right? Or just not playing? Definitely not NBA ready.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You sound like every other teams fan in the NBA when they face us. Good centers like Gobert are easy to find! Ours will be like him soon, lol.

My posts are basically the opposite of this but go on....

The exceptional generation talent that is Rudy Gobert is the reason we can play this style effectively. Finding another guy like that is pretty dicey... so if we are taking Udoka thinking he will perform that way it would be a pretty bold claim.

 

[colton]

No lie I was a devout Rudy believer before he even played an NBA game.
I went to the free summer scrimmage the jazz held right after Rudy was drafted and couldn't stop gushing about him. I wish I could find my posts about that scrimmage.

I remember Rudy was everywhere. There was no where on the court that anyone could hide. His energy, tenacity, and motor were off the charts.

I mean it was a scrimmage among teammates and he was a rookie who should be just trying to fit in and be friendly and figure out his place. Nope. He played way too hard and angry and I could tell that people were annoyed by his play. Then the whistle would blow and the game would end and he would flip a switch and be all nice.

It was pretty awesome to watch. And I had no idea who he was when we drafted him.

Hell, I was begging for him to get more minutes from day one. And he should have been starting at least a half season sooner than he did without a doubt.

I'm so happy that people outside Utah are really starting to see Rudy's value.

Funny thing is as much as I love Rudy I thought he was overpaid. I get why he is underappreciated but when you watch the jazz enough you see how Rudy is everything to the jazz. His story and rise to nba all star is quite remarkable.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

And finding guys that can shoot and dribble is much easier than finding a rim protector. Much easier. I get that the pick has risk but I love the gamble. Dok has the length and more athleticism than Rudy and it took us multiple years with a lot of work for Rudy to develop. I hope in two years Dok replaces Favs.

Huh.... Rudy was starting by midway through year 2... could have been a backup in year one but we had Ty Corbin. Rudy was extremely athletic for his size.

There are plenty of guys that can protect the rim at the level required to be a backup. There are also lots of guys that could provide something different than a traditional rim protecting center. If we are saying Udoka is going to be Rudy's replacement someday... okay... but we also have him under contract for 5+ years... soooooo a little premature to find his replacement.

 

[gomretat]

Huh.... Rudy was starting by midway through year 2... could have been a backup in year one but we had Ty Corbin. Rudy was extremely athletic for his size.

There are plenty of guys that can protect the rim at the level required to be a backup. There are also lots of guys that could provide something different than a traditional rim protecting center. If we are saying Udoka is going to be Rudy's replacement someday... okay... but we also have him under contract for 5+ years... soooooo a little premature to find his replacement.

Agree to disagree. These guys are very few and far between and you grab them when you can, particularly when you find someone with the athleticism of Dok and your entire system is predicated on having this kind of person.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And finding guys that can shoot and dribble is much easier than finding a rim protector. Much easier. I get that the pick has risk but I love the gamble. Dok has the length and more athleticism than Rudy and it took us multiple years with a lot of work for Rudy to develop. I hope in two years Dok replaces Favs.

This is flat out false... sorry. Sometimes people just say things and they sound cute so they seem like facts.

Finding guys that can shoot pass and dribble is much more essential number 1 because you need 3-4 guys on the court at all times that can do it. So the market needs like 3x-4x more of them than rim protectors.

Super myth I keep hearing spewed... finding a rim protector is hard. Well if you look at the top 10 guys in the league in blocks on a per minute basis (300 minute minimum) we could have signed or traded for 5 of them this offseason if we wanted to. All would cost less than Favs too. Jarrett Allen - a young, already functional center - was traded for a late first and a second rounder.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Agree to disagree. These guys are very few and far between and you grab them when you can, particularly when you find someone with the athleticism of Dok and your entire system is predicated on having this kind of person.

They are not... see post above.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I mean we GOT a guy that can shoot and dribble in that draft. It just wasn't one of the guys that these people spent two years discussing so they sore.

Sweet we got Hughes... He's on a two year deal. So if we see him next year and he's good we immediately have to pay him. If he doesn't get any run he can just walk and we won't know what we have.

The order of things is important. I'd gladly take Hughes on a four year deal over Udoka. Also since you need 3-4x the amount of guards and wings in this league it doesn't hurt to take two bites at the apple.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Desmond Bane is basically putting up the same numbers as Joe Harris per minute... His TS% is a bit lower but he also doesn't get to play with 3 superstars. His team is better on both ends of the floor when he is on the court... so it isn't just empty calories.

But please keep dreaming about all them backup minutes Udoka gonna give us in three years.

This is also not hindsight... I was asked to pick the guy I would have taken over Udoka in the draft thread... I said I'd take Bane.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is flat out false... sorry. Sometimes people just say things and they sound cute so they seem like facts.

Finding guys that can shoot pass and dribble is much more essential number 1 because you need 3-4 guys on the court at all times that can do it. So the market needs like 3x-4x more of them than rim protectors.

Super myth I keep hearing spewed... finding a rim protector is hard. Well if you look at the top 10 guys in the league in blocks on a per minute basis (300 minute minimum) we could have signed or traded for 5 of them this offseason if we wanted to. All would cost less than Favs too. Jarrett Allen - a young, already functional center - was traded for a late first and a second rounder.

Cmon HH, you know blocks per game dont equal quality rim protection.

I think finding a quality starting center is harder than finding wing rotation players who can dribble/pass/shoot ( though I will conceded that if you're saying that as in the player is a quality playmaker and not just a guy who can drive in a straight line when presented with an opportunity)

I also think finding big men who can both guard the elite bigs and not kill your defense against the NBA 3pt shooting revolution is also very very hard. And I think with Utah that needs all of that from their big, plus being a strong IQ player who can operate out of the short roll and be a vertical rim threat.

And the Jarrett Allen thing is funny. He got undervalued because the Nets lost leverage because teams knew they had to get rid of him plus the super stupid DJ over Allen favoritism to appease KD. I mean, Jordan Clarkson got traded for an overpaid bust and a couple of late 2nd rounders (fact check me on that lmao, at least one was late)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Cmon HH, you know blocks per game dont equal quality rim protection.

I think finding a quality starting center is harder than finding wing rotation players who can dribble/pass/shoot ( though I will conceded that if you're saying that as in the player is a quality playmaker and not just a guy who can drive in a straight line when presented with an opportunity)

I also think finding big men who can both guard the elite bigs and not kill your defense against the NBA 3pt shooting revolution is also very very hard. And I think with Utah that needs all of that from their big, plus being a strong IQ player who can operate out of the short roll and be a vertical rim threat.

And the Jarrett Allen thing is funny. He got undervalued because the Nets lost leverage because teams knew they had to get rid of him plus the super stupid DJ over Allen favoritism to appease KD. I mean, Jordan Clarkson got traded for an overpaid bust and a couple of late 2nd rounders (fact check me on that lmao, at least one was late)

I am aware yes... but its an indicator that they can function as a rim protector in short stints at least. So that 50% number doesn't even include the other guys that protect the rim in other ways... being in good position, taking charges, etc.

There is also the other side of this where maybe we could get a stretch option.

I might have been able to talk myself into the pick before we signed Favs. I know the order of operations here... but Jazz management likely knew they were getting Favs and re-signing Rudy.

 

[Douchebag K]

What is the most amount that we can offer him this summer?

The irony of you making a comment in a keep Mike Conley thread is staggering

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Desmond Bane is basically putting up the same numbers as Joe Harris per minute... His TS% is a bit lower but he also doesn't get to play with 3 superstars. His team is better on both ends of the floor when he is on the court... so it isn't just empty calories.

But please keep dreaming about all them backup minutes Udoka gonna give us in three years.

This is also not hindsight... I was asked to pick the guy I would have taken over Udoka in the draft thread... I said I'd take Bane.

Dont worry. They got Hughes who is going to be better than Bane.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The irony of you making a comment in a keep Mike Conley thread is staggering

Jom has probably irrationally hated on every player on the roster, so his entire existence being a jazz fan is irony.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If he re-signs, I hope it is one year at a time. Include a no-trade clause if we have to. He has been a revelation this year, and I think his contract year status is at least partly the reason why. And if he's so happy here, he should be happy getting paid one year at a time.

Lakers did the same with Caldwell-Pope a few times. Slightly overpaid him on a one year deal that included a no-trade clause.

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Jesus Christ you are a real piece of work.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

"Hey Mike Conley, please take this Kenatvious Caldwell-Pope style deal while leading the NBA in +/- and being our 2nd best player this season." - Lopo