Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

[GVC]

I enjoy myself for sure but I don't need drugs to do it. Sad really.

I don't understand the distinction. We choose different recreation. It's sheer arrogance (or plain ignorance, I suppose) to conclude that your recreation is superior to mine or that mine somehow makes me a sad case.

 

[Gameface]

I smoked like a chimney for almost five solid years. I agree 100% with Conan. To argue otherwise is foolish beyond measure. Conan is trolling you guys like it's his job -- and you're doing a wonderful job of playing along, mind you -- but in the end, strip off all of the trollishness, he's spot on.

Also, not that it has any relevance on the issue, but I was in the car when my buddy crashed. We were all blazed out of our minds in the Molca Salsa drive thru when he just put his head back and started rambling about politics. His foot slid off the brake and we rolled into the side of the building. Not one of the three of us in the car noticed it was happening until it went 'boom'.

Not to make light of the situation...Was everyone alright? I hope no one got seriously hurt when your friend rolled his car into a wall.

 

[TroutBum]

Not to make light of the situation...Was everyone alright? I hope no one got seriously hurt when your friend rolled his car into a wall.

Can't tell if serious...

But no, nobody got hurt. We were going 3 mph. The point was, none of us realized that we were rolling into a wall -- because we were high.

 

[CONAN]

I don't understand the distinction.

This

 

[GVC]

Seriously though, why is enjoying a joint any worse than enjoying a cheeseburger?

 

[colton]

...someone who smokes way too much pot won't want to get up off the couch. This isn't a manual or a rule, it's just a fact about what smoking too much pot does to people.

Someone who has taken prescription pain killers also probably won't want to get up off the couch... and yet sometimes such people DO try to drive. There's a law against that (I assume), and if marijuana ever gets legalized there should be a law against people driving while similarly impaired with marijuana.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I smoked like a chimney for almost five solid years. I agree 100% with Conan. To argue otherwise is foolish beyond measure. Conan is trolling you guys like it's his job -- and you're doing a wonderful job of playing along, mind you -- but in the end, strip off all of the trollishness, he's spot on.

Also, not that it has any relevance on the issue, but I was in the car when my buddy crashed. We were all blazed out of our minds in the Molca Salsa drive thru when he just put his head back and started rambling about politics. His foot slid off the brake and we rolled into the side of the building. Not one of the three of us in the car noticed it was happening until it went 'boom'.

I'd say your example absolutely has relevance on the subject. It's the first example of marijuana making driving dangerous that has been posted in this thread.

I'm not sure it makes "driving" dangerous, but it is still relevant. What it does show is that when you get high, you tend to focus in one one thing. if your friend had been "driving" at the moment, he likely would have been focused in on that. Or maybe not, I guess that is one of the topics that was originally being debated in this thread.

 

[CONAN]

Trout, you guys must've lost your manuals or something. Cuz first off there is no way you guys wouldn't have been on your couches if you were blazed out of your minds. And secondly the manual shows ways to drive to mitigate the impairment.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Someone who has taken prescription pain killers also probably won't want to get up off the couch... and yet sometimes such people DO try to drive. There's a law against that (I assume), and if marijuana ever gets legalized there should be a law against people driving while similarly impaired with marijuana.

Prescription pain killers are absolutely nothing like marijuana (at least the ones I have taken). The more weed you smoke, the more tired (or lazy, or whatever you want to call it) it makes you. That's part of the "high" and anyone who has ever smoked weed understands this. That's why it's so funny when conan tries to make fun of that position. It's not a manual or an unwritten rule or whatever nonsense he is trying to spin this as. It's just a fact about the effect of marijuana on a person.

 

[colton]

Insert legal drug of choice, then. The fact is that many legal drugs make one tired. And yet sometimes people do operate vehicles while under the effects. So why should legalized marijuana be treated any differently?

 

[TroutBum]

Prescription pain killers are absolutely nothing like marijuana (at least the ones I have taken). The more weed you smoke, the more tired (or lazy, or whatever you want to call it) it makes you. That's part of the "high" and anyone who has ever smoked weed understands this. That's why it's so funny when conan tries to make fun of that position. It's not a manual or an unwritten rule or whatever nonsense he is trying to spin this as. It's just a fact about the effect of marijuana on a person.

Enough of the "anyone who has ever smoked weed" bull crap. I have smoked weed. Lot's of it. I agree with Conan. There, now you don't have that crutch anymore.

 

[Scat]

Insert legal drug of choice, then. The fact is that many legal drugs make one tired. And yet sometimes people do operate vehicles while under the effects. So why should legalized marijuana be treated any differently?

I don't think tired is the correct term. Pain killers, mary jane, booze and even meth affect your concentration, reaction time and cause level thinking to be diminished. To what degree? Everyone's different but to argue that they don't diminish your capacity to function is just intellectually dishonest.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Insert legal drug of choice, then. The fact is that many legal drugs make one tired. And yet sometimes people do operate vehicles while under the effects. So why should legalized marijuana be treated any differently?

Because smoking some marijuana doesn't get anyone as high as say, taking a bunch of narcotic pain pills. And when you start to get really high on marijuana, you also get really tired/lazy/whatever you want to call it.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Enough of the "anyone who has ever smoked weed" bull crap. I have smoked weed. Lot's of it. I agree with Conan. There, now you don't have that crutch anymore.

Okay, anyone who has ever smoked weed and doesn't want to lie about it. I wasn't going to call you on your bs, but your claim of "awesome hallucinations" form weed is more than likely a crock. If you're now saying that smoking too much weed doesn't make you tired, then you are definitely full of it.

 

[GVC]

I know very few people, but I've known people who have driven while too high. Fortunately, that usually just leads to the driver forgetting where he's supposed to be going and ending up in the middle of nowhere, but it absolutely could be dangerous. No question.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I don't think tired is the correct term. Pain killers, mary jane, booze and even meth affect your concentration, reaction time and cause level thinking to be diminished. To what degree? Everyone's different but to argue that they don't diminish your capacity to function is just intellectually dishonest.

Tiered is absolutely the the correct term. If you smoke a lot of weed, you will literally pass out. It makes you tired. The more you smoke, the more tired you get.

 

[TroutBum]

Okay, anyone who has ever smoked weed and doesn't want to lie about it. I wasn't going to call you on your bs, but your claim of "awesome hallucinations" form weed is more than likely a crock. If you're now saying that smoking too much weed doesn't make you tired, then you are definitely full of it.

And there you have it.

Conan is an idiot because he never has done it, so his opinion isn't valid.

Trout is an idiot because even though he's smoked probably 10x as much as the average user, his ideas and reactions about and to the drugs don't coincide with mine -- therefore, he's wrong and a liar; his opinion isn't valid.

Got it.

 

[SaltyDawg]

And there you have it.

Conan is an idiot because he never has done it, so his opinion isn't valid.

Trout is an idiot because even though he's smoked probably 10x as much as the average user, his ideas and reactions about and to the drugs don't coincide with mine -- therefore, he's wrong and a liar; his opinion isn't valid.

Got it.

No, conan is an idiot because he's calling everyone a moron who disagrees with him- even though he has no experience with marijuana and has posted no scientific data supporting his opinion, and others have experience with it and are posting studies to support their positions.

You're an idiot because you're flat out lying about it (if you are in fact saying that smoking too much weed doesn't make you tired- which is what I was saying in the post you quoted and decided to say not everyone who has smoked weed agrees).

(for the record, I never actually called anyone an idiot)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And there you have it.

Conan is an idiot because he never has done it, so his opinion isn't valid.

Trout is an idiot because even though he's smoked probably 10x as much as the average user, his ideas and reactions about and to the drugs don't coincide with mine -- therefore, he's wrong and a liar; his opinion isn't valid.

Got it.

Your claim to "awesome hallucinations" does make you sound pretty bogus. Marijuana doesn't make you hallucinate.

 

[TroutBum]

No, conan is an idiot because he's calling everyone a moron who disagrees with him- even though he has no experience with marijuana and has posted no scientific data supporting his opinion, and others have experience with it and are posting studies to support their positions.

You're an idiot because you're flat out lying about it (if you are in fact saying that smoking too much weed doesn't make you tired- which is what I was saying in the post you quoted and decided to say not everyone who has smoked weed agrees).

Do you believe that people can drink a Mtn. Dew in order to sleep better? All logic points to "No", but I do it on a regular basis. As for weed, ya, it can make you tired. For ME, it usually wired me. I pulled many all-nighters playing WoW, EverQuest, drawing, reading, screwing, etc. all while blazed out of my mind. So, in short, weed didn't make me tired. If anything, it turned my brain on and made it harder to relax and just sleep.

But I'm probably flat-out lying.