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gomretat said:
Nope. Because the history of managing the tax in a very careful is very clear, not only for us both for most NBA teams. There is a ton of money spent to make sure the 100's of millions are managed well and it is evident. The fact that unforeseen opportunities arise that cause you to give up a 2nd rounder or pay more than you want is part of the business. IMO, suggesting that the cap is not paid attention to managed sloppily could not possibly be more naive and there is no way the Millers or Mr Smith would let that happen. It is arm chair quarterbacking with no clue of what is really going on.
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Then sign someone else. That contract is ****ing ridiculous, and it was when it was signed.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Well, it's all relative. If you thought Ed Davis was a $5M salary slot and Tony Bradley was a $3M salary slot, then giving Favors $9M was a fair deal. Plus, DL likes his players to feel wanted and happy. You saw what happened last year with Jeff Green. Guy thought he wasn't being paid fairly and didn't bother the run the floor consistently. Jazz will pay a little extra for a cultural fit.
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You straight pulled that out of your ***. He is a known league-minimum commodity and he signed the contract (AND MORE LEAGUE MINIMUM CONTRACTS SINCE!).

You can just say that his motivation comes and goes.
 
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FAILED STATE said:
Paging Hacl

Pat running laps. Again.
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His assistant GM is the cap wizard. Andy Ellisburg. Pat is the deal maker then Andy makes the money work. He’s pretty amazing.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Then sign someone else. That contract is ****ing ridiculous, and it was when it was signed.
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Especially when you just drafted a pure center and gave up multiple seconds to offload unwanted centers. There were plenty of options. Now we see a whole bunch of dudes traded at the deadline too. We had some ability to negotiate here... Favs wanted to be here.
 
DL has been mostly right about the big things... has found some diamonds... he has had some mess ups with finish work.. that’s why I use the sloppy adjective.
 
gomretat said:
Nope. Because the history of managing the tax in a very careful is very clear, not only for us both for most NBA teams. There is a ton of money spent to make sure the 100's of millions are managed well and it is evident. The fact that unforeseen opportunities arise that cause you to give up a 2nd rounder or pay more than you want is part of the business. IMO, suggesting that the cap is not paid attention to managed sloppily could not possibly be more naive and there is no way the Millers or Mr Smith would let that happen. It is arm chair quarterbacking with no clue of what is really going on.
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Dude.... Don’t just take a knee like that. Yeesh
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Especially when you just drafted a pure center and gave up multiple seconds to offload unwanted centers. There were plenty of options. Now we see a whole bunch of dudes traded at the deadline too. We had some ability to negotiate here... Favs wanted to be here.
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Obviously he wanted to be here but I would also bet he had requirements for what it took to get him here. This is not one sided.
 
What some of you want us to believe is that billionaire owners who pay 100's of millions a year in salary hire and tolerate people who dont pay attention to detail as it relates to what they pay and how they manage the cap. I am not buying that for a minute. And most owners are involved in the decisions on pay and the cap. Clearly opportunities emerge that make the FO of every team call audibles, including dumping picks and 2nd rounders to make us better. Maybe they should see that coming but I doubt that is always possible. We can all disagree on who is worth what and who we should pick up, trade etc. That is part of being a fan. But arguing that this is dumb people who are misinformed or sloppy is ridiculous.
 
gomretat said:
What some of you want us to believe is that billionaire owners who pay 100's of millions a year in salary hire and tolerate people who dont pay attention to detail as it relates to what they pay and how they manage the cap. I am not buying that for a minute. And most owners are involved in the decisions on pay and the cap. Clearly opportunities emerge that make the FO of every team call audibles, including dumping picks and 2nd rounders to make us better. Maybe they should see that coming but I doubt that is always possible.
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I get what you're saying but your assumption proves laughably false if you just quickly skim some of the decisions that teams make. It's okay to acknowledge that the known facts suggest some errors were made.

The Jazz have done an amazing job in some ways, and in others not so much. The Utah Jazz have to run their operation like the prime-era Spurs or the Heat since they are at as bad a geographic disadvantage as any pro sports team ever has been. We don't have the cushion that the Heat have but they routinely outwork everyone all the same.
 
gomretat said:
Obviously there are people paid to do this who are clearly not as smart as you and who disagree.
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I mean I had a conversation with a high ranking Jazz person at summer league a few years ago when he scoffed and mocked me because I said a player was going to get cut and he overheard a conversation and interjected. He was very dismissive and I jokingly said well that’s why you are the expert. Fast forward a few weeks and the player I said was getting cut gets cut for the exact ****ing reasons I stated. This wasn’t a scout that scoffed at me... it was a VP level dude.

Just because you get a check doesn’t mean you are always right.

The Milwaukee front office had several mistakes this summer that cost the team a bunch of money. These guys aren’t perfect.

If Ryan knows all the ins and outs of the cap I’d be surprised... that’s for other people to handle... if he knows everything and they projected everything out and he was cool going into the tax by a couple million then fine. If he’s cool with it costing him 40M or more in repeater tax or getting rid of talented guys later then fine. If we asked Favs to take a cut and he wouldn’t then fine. Someone in the front office was a little short sighted... if it was Ryan and he’s cool paying for it later then great. When it costs us a player please don’t complain.
 
gomretat said:
What some of you want us to believe is that billionaire owners who pay 100's of millions a year in salary hire and tolerate people who dont pay attention to detail as it relates to what they pay and how they manage the cap. I am not buying that for a minute. And most owners are involved in the decisions on pay and the cap. Clearly opportunities emerge that make the FO of every team call audibles, including dumping picks and 2nd rounders to make us better. Maybe they should see that coming but I doubt that is always possible. We can all disagree on who is worth what and who we should pick up, trade etc. That is part of being a fan. But arguing that this is dumb people who are misinformed or sloppy is ridiculous.
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Running an organization is complicated. Lots of moving parts. And there’s an art to all the parts. You’re acting like it’s plug-and-play.... like all the right details and timings are obvious, you just gotta get someone in the role.

It’s pretty obvious that some teams are much better at this stuff than others. Why would that be? Are the Utah Jazz the best?
 
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