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Don't know who is right (or most right) in this situation, but it doesn't really matter. The damage has been done. Don and the players are pissed and we're down 0-1 and are one of the laughingstocks of the league right now. Don has also lost complete trust in the medical staff, and even if they were legitimate in their concerns, they have to go. Don is not replaceable. A training staff is. This is a Kawhi situation.
 
My main thing: I think Mitchell is overly concerned with image, so this whole thing is just go get the point across that he isn't being held out because he isnt ready. He's ready, he's an alpha, he's got mamba mentality.
 
KqWIN said:
Don't know who is right (or most right) in this situation, but it doesn't really matter. The damage has been done. Don and the players are pissed and we're down 0-1 and are one of the laughingstocks of the league right now. Don has also lost complete trust in the medical staff, and even if they were legitimate in their concerns, they have to go. Don is not replaceable. A training staff is. This is a Kawhi situation.
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No it's not. Kawhi situation was a medical staff playing him when he wasnt ready.

What's the point of having a medical staff if we are just going let the players do what they want? You dont get rid of a top-rated medical staff just because one player doesnt like his ankle rehab. \
 
KqWIN said:
Don't know who is right (or most right) in this situation, but it doesn't really matter. The damage has been done. Don and the players are pissed and we're down 0-1 and are one of the laughingstocks of the league right now. Don has also lost complete trust in the medical staff, and even if they were legitimate in their concerns, they have to go. Don is not replaceable. A training staff is. This is a Kawhi situation.
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It's time for the new owner to step up to the plate. This gave the organization a look of utter incompetence. He didn't make ten bazillion dollars with decisions like this.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Holy hell that's so ****ing stupid. How can we have a "power struggle" over an ankle injury? Why would Mitchell's staff and the team staff not just confer and come to an agreement? What a **** show at the worst possible time. This is so ****ing stupid. Someone in upper management needs to get ahead of this. But it's too late to get ahead of it really so now it's damage control. **** me.
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Jazz gonna Jazz.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No it's not. Kawhi situation was a medical staff playing him when he wasnt ready.

What's the point of having a medical staff if we are just going let the players do what they want? You dont get rid of a top-rated medical staff just because one player doesnt like his ankle rehab. \
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Eh, I disagree. I think you do get rid of the medical staff to avoid a Kawhi situation.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No it's not. Kawhi situation was a medical staff playing him when he wasnt ready.

What's the point of having a medical staff if we are just going let the players do what they want? You dont get rid of a top-rated medical staff just because one player doesnt like his ankle rehab. \
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It is a Kawhi situation in the sense that there is no trust between player and training staff. The way it was handled, last minute surprising everyone, was also awful. If he was in a state where he shouldn't be playing, he shouldn't have been a full participant in practice and he should have been listed on injury reports. At the very least, he and his teammates should have been notified more than a couple hours before tip off.

The reality is that you can't have a training staff that the players don't trust. Gaining the trust of their patients/clients is part of any medical professional's job. Like I said, Don is not replaceable. Training staffs are. You should never pick a training staff over a star player.
 
KqWIN said:
It is a Kawhi situation in the sense that there is no trust between player and training staff. The way it was handled, last minute surprising everyone, was also awful. If he was in a state where he shouldn't be playing, he shouldn't have been a full participant in practice and he should have been listed on injury reports. At the very least, he and his teammates should have been notified more than a couple hours before tip off.

The reality is that you can't have a training staff that the players don't trust. Gaining the trust of their patients/clients is part of any medical professional's job. Like I said, Don is not replaceable. Training staffs are. You should never pick a training staff over a star player.
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I think there is a huge difference between the mistrust of "this team doesnt give a **** about my health and will play me until I'm injured" and the mistrust of "this team is being overly cautious and babying me/maybe has my diagnosis wrong, but wrong in a way that is airing on the side of caution"
 
homeytennis said:
It's time for the new owner to step up to the plate. This gave the organization a look of utter incompetence. He didn't make ten bazillion dollars with decisions like this.
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You'd be surprised how many people make their billions by stumbling into it. Nobody gets there by pure luck, obviously, but to reach that level of wealth things have to fall your way. It's the same for anyone in the top 0.0001% of anything. It's the reason why it's almost always bad when owners stick their fingers into basketball operations.

Having said that, any organization with a hint of competence should have been able to handle this better. Having a player lose faith in the medical staff is bad, but maybe that's just a part of the business. Your own players not knowing Mitchell is being held out until a couple hours before gametime is ridiculous.
 
l Abach l said:
Based off of what? Conley has missed a ton of games this year. So has Donavan. Also, to be clear, I'm in favor of firing both DL and the medical staff if the Jazz lose this round.
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Based off league reputation, which is by far the most important metric we have for any of this. Also, the Jazz have hardly had any overuse injuries. An ankle sprain isnt something a medical team can make a player avoid. They can happen at anytime, it's basketball. Conley has had hamstring issues, but he's had those his entire career. It seems like they have managed it well and he was ready to go in Game 1 with a nice performance.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No it's not. Kawhi situation was a medical staff playing him when he wasnt ready.

What's the point of having a medical staff if we are just going let the players do what they want? You dont get rid of a top-rated medical staff just because one player doesnt like his ankle rehab. \
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You do get rid of that medical staff if the one player that doesn't trust them is your superstar. The other stuff is a slippery slope. No matter what happened they have some blame here in either the messaging or the pissing contest they are part of.

If DM was just concerned about messaging he doesn't hire his own medical staff a couple weeks ago... it is much more likely he really wants to play... that he was pissed they won't let him and that is why he's throwing them under the bus to get his way now.

I think the front office has some say here so he may be upset with them as well. They might be pissed he is working around them but they had two plus weeks to figure out how to work together... they are all "smart professionals"... yet we got a comedy of errors yesterday.

This isn't just DM is a diva and wants to appear to be an alpha.
 
The fact that this happened at literally the worst possible time is absolutely inexcusable. This is nothing more than ineptitude.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think there is a huge difference between the mistrust of "this team doesnt give a **** about my health and will play me until I'm injured" and the mistrust of "this team is being overly cautious and babying me/maybe has my diagnosis wrong, but wrong in a way that is airing on the side of caution"
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To me there's not much of a difference. Especially when Mitchell made very passive aggressive comments about the staff being unable to make progress on his ankle. He doesn't just believe the training staff is being too cautious, he also believes they weren't helping him make progress with his ankle. The end result is the same, Mitchell does not trust the training staff with his health.
 
There is so much they aren't telling us it's just stupid. And it sounds like so much they aren't even telling the other players. Any situation where there is doubt they usually list the player as a "game-time decision", but to just completely remove the guy from the injured list and then scratch him at the last second leaving everyone confused as to why is a major problem. To me it feels like a failure of management. That is the responsibility of management to get this **** straightened out and make sure it is handled to the best benefit of the organization. This was botched terribly, and that is completely on management imo, regardless of the inner turmoil, that is their job. And it certainly isn't the first time it has felt like management just refuses to manage.
 
KqWIN said:
To me there's not much of a difference. Especially when Mitchell made very passive aggressive comments about the staff being unable to make progress on his ankle. He doesn't just believe the training staff is being too cautious, he also believes they weren't helping him make progress with his ankle. The end result is the same, Mitchell does not trust the training staff with his health.
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There also might be different treatment programs based on the goals... like i want to be 100% for the playoffs vs. I want to play in 1-2 weeks. I really, really, really think this has part to do with DM basically being left out of All-NBA in large part due to games missed. Maybe he wanted to get on the court sooner than later and they took a different approach... its like 32-35M difference.

The front office and player may have had competing goals and he didn't like that his voice didn't carry enough weight?
 
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