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KqWIN said:
To me there's not much of a difference. Especially when Mitchell made very passive aggressive comments about the staff being unable to make progress on his ankle. He doesn't just believe the training staff is being too cautious, he also believes they weren't helping him make progress with his ankle. The end result is the same, Mitchell does not trust the training staff with his health.
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I think there is a big difference. Kawhi felt like the staff and his teammates thought he was soft and not a good teammate. Had a big contract coming up and that the organization didn't care about his long term health. Its quite a bit worse than being overly cautious and "saving a guy from himself" unless he thinks there is something nefarious with holding him out longer in the regular season to ensure he doesn't make an All NBA team.

I won't say he's a diva but I will say he's sensitive... so is Rudy. DM hasn't always handled these issues perfectly but that's okay. He might be right here... none of us really know what the training staff are like and maybe they have their own motives.
 
It seems to me that the decision could have been made Friday or Saturday and then you don't have the mad scramble that occurred yesterday. You don't have to tell the Griz but then our guys are not blindsided either. I think the medical staff has to be sacrificed to the Gods now.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There also might be different treatment programs based on the goals... like i want to be 100% for the playoffs vs. I want to play in 1-2 weeks. I really, really, really think this has part to do with DM basically being left out of All-NBA in large part due to games missed. Maybe he wanted to get on the court sooner than later and they took a different approach... its like 32-35M difference.

The front office and player may have had competing goals and he didn't like that his voice didn't carry enough weight?
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I don't doubt that DM is frustrated with missing All NBA and that this is part of this....but holding him out of this playoff game doesn't effect All NBA. He was already a full participant in practice and as I understand practices are just as physically demanding as games. You almost never see a full participant in practice not play the next game.

But like I was saying earlier, it doesn't really matter whose right. If there is no trust between training staff and player, that relationship cannot exist. If Mitchell truly was not ready to play, they needed to do a better job of communicating that to him. That is part of the job.

The fact that everybody was blindsided by this including the other players makes me think that the training staff was trying to show authority. At minimum, it is a total failure of management to have nobody on the team know what the situation is. The training staff could be 100% correct in their call, but if the players didn't know this was the case than it is still a major failure. Somebody is going to lose their job over this, and it's not Don.
 
KqWIN said:
To me there's not much of a difference. Especially when Mitchell made very passive aggressive comments about the staff being unable to make progress on his ankle. He doesn't just believe the training staff is being too cautious, he also believes they weren't helping him make progress with his ankle. The end result is the same, Mitchell does not trust the training staff with his health.
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Being passive aggressive is Donovan's thing. Like I said, I think this is 100% about image for Mitchell. He wants to be known as the tough/mamba mentality guy. Missing the 1st game of the 1st round after being out for a month doesnt jive with that (especially for something that is officially listed an ankle sprain), so he's making it 1000% clear it wasnt his choice and he did all he could to fight it.
 
I'm here everyone. I just want to say, there's an obvious commonality at every turn there has been drama with the franchise. One guy is the commonality. A year ago it was Rudy, then he was mad at social media comments, now we're gonna throw a fit over the training staff being careful. The dude is a giant drama queen, who over-reacts and gets dramatic every time something happens he doesn't like. He's a child, and he just keeps proving it. He is the commonality in the more drama in a year worth of time, than the Jazz have had since Deron left. The guy who's always "furious" is probably a big part of the problem.
 
Also, my own conspiracy theory: it's his toe. I remember the toe healing much slower that one season as well and there being conflicting reports on his recovery timeline/setbacks/etc.
 
maybe DM just wanted to play and when the medical staff told him he was not ready then he got mad. Sounds like DM is a human being. I sprained my ankle really bad and when I was told I had to keep the ankle in a cast for another 8 weeks I got pissed at the doctor. I didn't have the playoffs waiting. I just wanted to get rid of my crutches and the damn caste. The doctor sometimes has to give news we do not want to hear. Sometimes human let their emotions get the best of them. Doesn't mean either party is wrong. If the Jazz let this bother them then they need to toughen up and refocus on the goal. They were not ready to play in game 1. They need to step it up.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think there is a big difference. Kawhi felt like the staff and his teammates thought he was soft and not a good teammate. Had a big contract coming up and that the organization didn't care about his long term health. Its quite a bit worse than being overly cautious and "saving a guy from himself" unless he thinks there is something nefarious with holding him out longer in the regular season to ensure he doesn't make an All NBA team.

I won't say he's a diva but I will say he's sensitive... so is Rudy. DM hasn't always handled these issues perfectly but that's okay. He might be right here... none of us really know what the training staff are like and maybe they have their own motives.
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I think this dismisses the fact that Donovan did not feel the training staff was helping him make progress on his ankle. In any case, Don doesn't trust the training staff. Maybe that can be repaired if the Jazz let him play and we start winning again, but there can't be a working relationship if there is no trust. It doesn't matter how it got there.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Being passive aggressive is Donovan's thing. Like I said, I think this is 100% about image for Mitchell. He wants to be known as the tough/mamba mentality guy. Missing the 1st game of the 1st round after being out for a month doesnt jive with that (especially for something that is officially listed an ankle sprain), so he's making it 1000% clear it wasnt his choice and he did all he could to fight it.
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He's not, he's a drama queen who protects him and his image as you say at whatever cost to anyone else. He did it to Rudy last year, training staff now. Sending cryptic messages on social media and again leaking to the press show he's in it for one guy, himself. He had to blame Rudy, now he has to blame the medical staff. ITS HIM.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Being passive aggressive is Donovan's thing. Like I said, I think this is 100% about image for Mitchell. He wants to be known as the tough/mamba mentality guy. Missing the 1st game of the 1st round after being out for a month doesnt jive with that (especially for something that is officially listed an ankle sprain), so he's making it 1000% clear it wasnt his choice and he did all he could to fight it.
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Did Don blindside the entire team by not letting anyone know until hours before tip off for his image? Is he tanking the team because it looks better for him that we lost?

I know Don cares about his image and I know he is very passive aggressive, but there is a major systemic failure for the Jazz. If there was any doubt that Mitchell would play, it needed to be on the injury report and at the very least his own teammates should have known. Someone has to lose their job over this. It won't be Don.
 
KqWIN said:
I think this dismisses the fact that Donovan did not feel the training staff was helping him make progress on his ankle. In any case, Don doesn't trust the training staff. Maybe that can be repaired if the Jazz let him play and we start winning again, but there can't be a working relationship if there is no trust. It doesn't matter how it got there.
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Yeah, except he's always the commonality when theres a problem. Mike trusted them just fine with his chronic hamstring. Donovan IS THE COMMONALITY OF ISSUES.
 
KqWIN said:
Did Don blindside the entire team by not letting anyone know until hours before tip off for his image? Is he tanking the team because it looks better for him that we lost?

I know Don cares about his image and I know he is very passive aggressive, but there is a major systemic failure for the Jazz. If there was any doubt that Mitchell would play, it needed to be on the injury report and at the very least his own teammates should have known. Someone has to lose their job over this. It won't be Don.
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Jazz aren't innocent here, but the Jazz aren't the ones creating a side show and making it worse at this point.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't doubt that DM is frustrated with missing All NBA and that this is part of this....but holding him out of this playoff game doesn't effect All NBA. He was already a full participant in practice and as I understand practices are just as physically demanding as games. You almost never see a full participant in practice not play the next game.

But like I was saying earlier, it doesn't really matter whose right. If there is no trust between training staff and player, that relationship cannot exist. If Mitchell truly was not ready to play, they needed to do a better job of communicating that to him. That is part of the job.

The fact that everybody was blindsided by this including the other players makes me think that the training staff was trying to show authority. At minimum, it is a total failure of management to have nobody on the team know what the situation is. The training staff could be 100% correct in their call, but if the players didn't know this was the case than it is still a major failure. Somebody is going to lose their job over this, and it's not Don.
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Yes... i think the training staff player relationship is broken here... the Leonard situation ran much deeper imo. It was that Kawhi didn't trust anyone there anymore.

I think someone has to take some heat. If the training staff did what they should and then were influenced by front office or others to not list the guy as a game time decision... or if the messaging from the front office to the players and coaches was that he would be available... then the medical staff should speak up and throw the FO under the bus. I generally agree someone won't be back next year because of this issue.

Yesterday wasn't about all-nba, but it could have been about the staff feeling slighted by the events of the last month and dug into their position. Was just trying to find the place where the issue started.

The medical staff may also have felt like the writing was on the wall for them and felt they couldn't clear DM only to have him get hurt while they were looking for new jobs.

There is plenty of blame to go around here... GM/front office get a heaping pile imo... at very least for how this all came down.
 
oneye said:
He's not, he's a drama queen who protects him and his image as you say at whatever cost to anyone else. He did it to Rudy last year, training staff now. Sending cryptic messages on social media and again leaking to the press show he's in it for one guy, himself. He had to blame Rudy, now he has to blame the medical staff. ITS HIM.
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Did you read what I said?
 
KqWIN said:
Did Don blindside the entire team by not letting anyone know until hours before tip off for his image? Is he tanking the team because it looks better for him that we lost?

I know Don cares about his image and I know he is very passive aggressive, but there is a major systemic failure for the Jazz. If there was any doubt that Mitchell would play, it needed to be on the injury report and at the very least his own teammates should have known. Someone has to lose their job over this. It won't be Don.
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No one needs to lose their job. The Jazz are probably going to get fined for violating the injury report guidelines.
 
KqWIN said:
Did Don blindside the entire team by not letting anyone know until hours before tip off for his image? Is he tanking the team because it looks better for him that we lost?

I know Don cares about his image and I know he is very passive aggressive, but there is a major systemic failure for the Jazz. If there was any doubt that Mitchell would play, it needed to be on the injury report and at the very least his own teammates should have known. Someone has to lose their job over this. It won't be Don.
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Agree here... people saying this is about him being a diva... nah. Its about him wanting to ****ing play basketball. When it happens like this and people start talking I wouldn't blame him for saying "hey... i was ready to play... i didn't make this decision". Its fairly clear from the comments from the other guys that they aren't throwing DM under the bus.

He's a competitor... he wants to compete... he apparently doesn't get to make that decision.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Agree here... people saying this is about him being a diva... nah. Its about him wanting to ****ing play basketball. When it happens like this and people start talking I wouldn't blame him for saying "hey... i was ready to play... i didn't make this decision". Its fairly clear from the comments from the other guys that they aren't throwing DM under the bus.

He's a competitor... he wants to compete... he apparently doesn't get to make that decision.
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Weird, he's always the one involved in the drama though, makes you wonder if the common thread is........him. He is a diva. He's a child. He shows it again and again and again.
 
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