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****** move by Lebron. He’s done this before, but he’s not a quitter and doesn’t bail as soon as things are hard. This is a tough look as a leader and that’s where he’s had his failings imo. Kobe had some of the same problems.

I don’t think they are done... unless AD is out. With Lebron you don’t plan his funeral until the body is dead.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah but he's kind of been this way for his entire career. As soon as he saw it would be a lot of work to get there in Cleveland, he noped on out of there to build a stacked team in Miami. As soon as Miami was winding down and he saw that Cleveland had used the high draft picks from their inevitable fall after his exit to retool he moves back there to yet another stacked team. Cleveland winding down? Time to move to LA to bring in another stacked team. Injury to key player? Why try then, time to bail early in the 4th instead of support the team he is supposedly the leader of. Sure he's a human and he wants it easy, I get it. But I also know what he is being paid to be a baby when he doesn't get his stacked team. So **** him. Stand up and be a man and actually do the job you are being paid to do.

By the way it isn't just leaving early in the 4th quarter. He basically didn't show up at all for this game. And the is far from the first time in his career he has just taken plays or games off because suddenly they are hard.

Yes yes many players do, it's human nature, blah blah blah. If he wants to be considered as the best, then man up and play even when you might not have the easy road to the ring in front of you. Otherwise, he's just a diva.
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Plus LeBron is a terrible GM and he leaves teams holding the bag after he demands players be brought in or let go.
 
fishonjazz said:
Eh, he saw it was going to be a lot of work in Cleveland and went back there.
Then left for a crappy Lakers team that plays in a much tougher conference.

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Cleveland had everything it needed except a star and then he retooled it. Same in LA, by bringing in Davis. Bron will only play on stacked teams.
 
fishonjazz said:
On the other hand, and I could be wrong or mis-remembering, I think his team was down big on a series once (down 3-1 I think) and he didn't quit. Instead he played his *** off and they came back and won the series. Might have been in the finals even.

Again, I might be wrong but it seems like that happened.

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Yes his one shining achievement was the victory against the warriors. Down 3-1 they rallied to win it. Give him full credit there. If course it was a stacked team that got him to the finals, and the one place he just isn't going to quit is the finals.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Cleveland had everything it needed except a star and then he retooled it. Same in LA, by bringing in Davis. Bron will only play on stacked teams.
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He went to lakers before Davis though. And they gave up a ton to get Davis. He didn't join a team with stars already on it.
Same with Cleveland. They needed a star. He didn't join Steph Klay and Draymond.

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LogGrad98 said:
Yes his one shining achievement was the victory against the warriors. Down 3-1 they rallied to win it. Give him full credit there. If course it was a stacked team that got him to the finals, and the one place he just isn't going to quit is the finals.
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I disagree about it being a stacked team. They were finals worthy because they had lebron. No LeBron on the Cleveland team and they don't sniff the finals.

I mean any team with prime LeBron on it is basically stacked because he is that good.

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I’m happy to take on anyone that helps the team, even heels. The problem with Ainge is he did a bad job. Maybe a historically bad job. He built this incredible horde of assets and absolutely wasted them after 2017. Part of that, as I understand it, is that other execs didn’t want to work with a dude more interested in winning every trade instead of making an effort to be equitable in his dealings.

Add that to our FO who already have too many cooks in the kitchen and badly bungled last off-season on the margins (about as bad as they could’ve, even if on the margins), and this idea makes less than no sense.
 
I know that as fans, we want our teams to have a chance and part of that is league parity. But players are not (just) fans. They get to play in the league for a fraction of their lives, and I have a tough time absolutely faulting them for trying to play on the best teams possible and I’m positive all of us would at least be strongly tempted to improve their individual situations as well.
 
LeBron is easily the most scrutinized player of all-time. It is ridiculous. Dude is going to end up as the first player with 40k points - 10k assists - 10k rebounds.

Hell he is the only one with 31k-8k-8k. He will be the all-time leading scorer. He will own tons of records. He has repeatedly carried bad teams to deep in the playoffs. Dude is the most talented player to ever play.
 
latin jazz said:
The ************ didn't even give us a TPE
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Cue "why would he just give away a TPE?" as if it's some asset Ainge owns that he'd have to part with.

Also, I'm still pissed that Charlotte gave them one.

Ainge doesn't facilitate a TPE for Utah/Hayward: "Yeah, duh. That's how the league works."
Charlotte facilitates a TPE for Boston/Hayward: "Yeah, duh. That's how the league works."
 
fishonjazz said:
He went to lakers before Davis though. And they gave up a ton to get Davis. He didn't join a team with stars already on it.
Same with Cleveland. They needed a star. He didn't join Steph Klay and Draymond.

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Yeah it's not as egregious as Durant, but he still retooled them both into super-teams.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah it's not as egregious as Durant, but he still retooled them both into super-teams.
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Which I assume pretty much every player would do if they could.
I mean I doubt there are any players in history who are like, hey GM could you trade pippen for Howard eisley? I want the toughest path possible with the crappiest teammates to show that I'm the best.

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fishonjazz said:
Which I assume pretty much every player would do if they could.
I mean I doubt there are any players in history who are like, hey GM could you trade pippen for Howard eisley? I want the toughest path possible with the crappiest teammates to show that I'm the best.

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Well Shaq and Kobe seemed to dislike having it so easy.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree about it being a stacked team. They were finals worthy because they had lebron. No LeBron on the Cleveland team and they don't sniff the finals.

I mean any team with prime LeBron on it is basically stacked because he is that good.

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Disagree. They had Irving and prime Kevin love and a good supporting cast. That's still 3 all stars. It's not like CP3 going to the suns with one up and coming star and inspiring them to greater heights. Yes adding LeBron instantly raises a team into some level of contention. But he goes where the getting is good. I would have a different opinion of him if he had stuck with the Cavs the first time and taken them to a championship. Hell he got them to the finals. But when he saw how hard the road was there it was just much easier to go to Miami, build the super-team, and win there.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Disagree. They had Irving and prime Kevin love and a good supporting cast. That's still 3 all stars. It's not like CP3 going to the suns with one up and coming star and inspiring them to greater heights. Yes adding LeBron instantly raises a team into some level of contention. But he goes where the getting is good. I would have a different opinion of him if he had stuck with the Cavs the first time and taken them to a championship. Hell he got them to the finals. But when he saw how hard the road was there it was just much easier to go to Miami, build the super-team, and win there.
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People seem to forget that Love was averaging 26 PPG and 13 rebounds before joining LBJ.

Everywhere he's went since his first stint with Cleveland has been super teams. To act like he's accomplished anything without a super team is flat out false.
 
SteakNEggs said:
People seem to forget that Love was averaging 26 PPG and 13 rebounds before joining LBJ.

Everywhere he's went since his first stint with Cleveland has been super teams. To act like he's accomplished anything without a super team is flat out false.
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Who are championship winning players that didn't have a super team?
Usually championship winning teams are stacked. Hence the championship.



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infection said:
Cue "why would he just give away a TPE?" as if it's some asset Ainge owns that he'd have to part with.

Also, I'm still pissed that Charlotte gave them one.

Ainge doesn't facilitate a TPE for Utah/Hayward: "Yeah, duh. That's how the league works."
Charlotte facilitates a TPE for Boston/Hayward: "Yeah, duh. That's how the league works."
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If I remember correctly Haywood's camp was willing to do a sign & trade to get us a TPE (or at least that's what they said). They spent a couple of days talking about it (maybe we offered a 2nd rounder, cash, who knows) and even then Ainge was probably asking for the sky. He screwed so many GMs and players that I'm not sure he is a positive asset. Anyway, **** Haywood and Ainge.
 
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Embiid has a meniscus tear that they're treating as 'day to day'. Not doing surgery at this point because doing so would effectively end their season.

Anyone that has had a knee injury like that knows that you can't really manage it effectively (much less a pro basketball player).
 
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