Jazz Offseason Plan

[Handlogten's Heros]

Kuz makes $5.7 less than Bojan this year and over $7 less next year. If he exceeds his contract and wants to opt out, then that means we got good play out of him.

I think it's worth the risk definitely if we can get him with #22.

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Only way we get him is with Conley and they won't send much else back (in part because they don't have much to give in draft assets). I would not trade Bogey for him #22 likely doesn't change my mind. My guess is they aren't super interested in that deal either. They need a point guard.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Nope.

You bash people on here for ideas all the time when you are 100% wrong. I've been pushing a low buy deal for Batum for years and always got bashed. Now you're one of the guys pining for Batum.

Its okay. You aren't gonna change. You'll still be arrogant with absolutely zero humility. This is probably the only place in your world where you have any real say so you take out your frustrations on here.

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lmfao. I'm pretty sure I "bashed" the Batum ideas when he was getting paid a max contract, not when he got his new one. So yeah, shut the **** up and bring receipts and context to the dumb **** you say.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Tony continues saying the core of this team will likely be broken up without improvements in the postseason. I’m just curious as to what exactly Tony means here, like a compete rebuild? Is it referring to Rudy and Donovan? Is it referring to the other guys like Bogey, Joe, etc.? He’s mentioned it several times, and I’m just wondering what exactly it means.

To me, the core of the team is Rudy/Don/Mike. To Tony, I think the core of the team is everyone on the roster 1-9.

It probably just means Ingles will retire and we might finally consider trading another member of the rotation.

I am having a hard time reconciling the “we gotta run it back for Don to try to win a title and keep him happy” with the “next year we’re making drastic changes if it doesn’t work” line? Like, isn’t a rebuild next year gonna piss Don off? So why not take a risk today and swap out a couple members of the rotation and see what happens?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To me, the core of the team is Rudy/Don/Mike. To Tony, I think the core of the team is everyone on the roster 1-9.

It probably just means Ingles will retire and we might finally consider trading another member of the rotation.

I am having a hard time reconciling the “we gotta run it back for Don to try to win a title and keep him happy” with the “next year we’re making drastic changes if it doesn’t work” line? Like, isn’t a rebuild next year gonna piss Don off. So why not take a risk today and swap out a couple members of the rotation and see what happens?

I think it means if it doesn’t work with this group we pivot and trade Rudy… the championship window closes and you try to get on the right path so Donovan is happy.

It also means there could be a catastrophic change on the horizon because Donovan wants out. I think Ryan got way out in front of it by bringing in Wade… but I’m guessing there is some fire to that smoke. I think it means there are BIG changes on the horizon.

 

[jom2003]

His numbers are down because there’s only one ball to go around and we had a lot of dudes who could score.

Exactly why we should trade him. We have too many scorers/shooters and not enough rebounding/perimeter defenders. Love at least could help us on rebounding. Like I said, we should only trade for him if it also helps us offload Favs salary + getting picks from the Cavs.

 

[jom2003]

How does Kuzma help solve any of our problems though. Love at least could help us on rebounding at the 4 spot. Kuz isn't really a good defender or rebounder.

 

[jom2003]

To me, the core of the team is Rudy/Don/Mike. To Tony, I think the core of the team is everyone on the roster 1-9.

It probably just means Ingles will retire and we might finally consider trading another member of the rotation.

I am having a hard time reconciling the “we gotta run it back for Don to try to win a title and keep him happy” with the “next year we’re making drastic changes if it doesn’t work” line? Like, isn’t a rebuild next year gonna piss Don off? So why not take a risk today and swap out a couple members of the rotation and see what happens?

In all fairness, if they really wanna run it back they could've kept DL. Firing him should be a sign for change.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In all fairness, if they really wanna run it back they could've kept DL. Firing him should be a sign for change.

I think it was his screw ups on the fringes this offseason/season… more like drafting Dok and signing Favs as well as Matt Thomas. The relationship thing with Quin was also an issue I’m guessing.

I don’t think they want big changes… I do think they will kick the tires on stuff but I expect our top 7 guys to return (if we can keep Mike). I think they want to add a couple guys to the mix.

 

[LoPo]

lmfao. I'm pretty sure I "bashed" the Batum ideas when he was getting paid a max contract, not when he got his new one. So yeah, shut the **** up and bring receipts and context to the dumb **** you say.

It's all about asset management Cy.

With you, we all endure asshat management dealing with your attacks and stupidity.

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[LoPo]

How does Kuzma help solve any of our problems though. Love at least could help us on rebounding at the 4 spot. Kuz isn't really a good defender or rebounder.

Kuzma is $5.7 million cheaper than Bojan and is a better rebounder than Bojan. Probably as good or better of a defender.

I'm not opposed to Love, but Kuzma is more of a like for like switch for us and LA. LeBron hates Kuz and they probably would take the shooter.

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[NUMBERICA]

If Mike is gone, I’d have one foot through the door on an aggressive re-tooling around Donovan (trade Bojan and probably Rudy if there’s a good deal). If he stays, Jazz should try one more year with some good moves on the margins instead of whatever horror show we watched last year.

I frankly am more interested in the former because the Jazz couldn’t possibly have a better shot than last year and just couldn’t do it.

 

[416Klawzz]

Heard that NOLA might let Lonzo walk

 

[NUMBERICA]

If Mike is gone, I’d have one foot through the door on an aggressive re-tooling around Donovan (trade Bojan and probably Rudy if there’s a good deal). If he stays, Jazz should try one more year with some good moves on the margins instead of whatever horror show we watched last year.

I frankly am more interested in the latter because the Jazz couldn’t possibly have a better shot than last year and just couldn’t do it.

On that note, the Pacers are shopping #13 for a proven player and Bojan seems like a great candidate to me.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Heard that NOLA might let Lonzo walk

Shams said that if he receives a substantial offer. The teams he mentioned that would be interested were Chicago and the Clippers (huh?). Clips don't even have a full MLE and they can't do a sign and trade. Chicago can clear room but it comes with some consequences.

 

[LoPo]

Shams said that if he receives a substantial offer. The teams he mentioned that would be interested were Chicago and the Clippers (huh?). Clips don't even have a full MLE and they can't do a sign and trade. Chicago can clear room but it comes with some consequences.

We should just make him a substantial offer that NOLA won't want to match. If they want anything back from us, send them Clarkson or Bojan. If they don't, send Bojan or Clarkson somewhere who sends a pick/assets to NOLA.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

We should just make him a substantial offer that NOLA won't want to match. If they want anything back from us, send them Clarkson or Bojan. If they don't, send Bojan or Clarkson somewhere who sends a pick/assets to NOLA.


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I just think there is no way we get far enough away from the apron to make it work. It's honestly not worth it imo.

 

[Elizah Huge]

We should just make him a substantial offer that NOLA won't want to match. If they want anything back from us, send them Clarkson or Bojan. If they don't, send Bojan or Clarkson somewhere who sends a pick/assets to NOLA.


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We can’t make an offer with no cap room.

 

[LoPo]

I just think there is no way we get far enough away from the apron to make it work. It's honestly not worth it imo.

I already ran through the numbers if we gave John Collins $25-28. Yes it's super tight, but it could be done.

I don't think Lonzo would get more than $20 so we could make it a little more comfortably.

I think getting a good long term piece is very important if we can get it.

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[LoPo]

We can’t make an offer with no cap room.

We can talk with his people, tell what we would pay him then work out a sign and trade. It's how the Kemba Rozier deal was done and many others.

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[NUMBERICA]

Pretty sure a third team would have to be involved for it to begin to make sense, but what about sending out Niang in a S&T and get back Marc Gasol?