You can't absolve yourself of any wrongdoing by simple projection onto others. Children arguing provides examples that suggest reflexive denials require the least possible effort at reason, so it's almost the most universal sort of lie.
It's not worthwhile trying to tell anyone that that is what they are doing, people who do that are deliberately cutting out all discussion. There is then no intent to reflect or consider the issue.
People who like the above poster have evidently no possible benefit from their assertions are, rather, likely simple ignoramuses, who may have no motive to advance a discussion either.
That reduces this thread to a likely contention between ignorance and political agenda protagonists. You bring no scientific expertise and no research to this table, just political hackery. You believe it to be valid because you can cite sources and scientists. The problem there is that our science is politically hijacked on this issue by the corporations and bought/paid for politicians they employ to advance their wares.
So your accusation, which has no possible application either to me or the thread conspiracy/genocide proponents, could only have a possible connection to people who want to argue the case for the vaccines, for the government mandates or authorities
Most political "conservatives" I have any knowledge of have made strong statements in favor of the vaccination programs for Covid, and other medical conventional programs as well. The issue there is personal responsibility and personal choice. The "My body/my choice" position that has often been a liberal point as well.
I am aware that there is a body of profiteering that builds on false scares like the Pharma bogeyman/genocide sort of narrative, but it's not organized into an efficient of movement, has no leadership, and mostly small-time medicine show hawkers of no consequence. Well, yes, some people die from fake medicines. Most of the money spent on nutritional supplements or natural remedies has a fraction of the street cred of one heavily advertised corporate product.
So I just can't take your defense here seriously. Calling a JFC member with a link to a report like the above as motivated by money is just ridiculous.
I agree. That's why I avoid it. I don't take any funds. I have no Patreon page, no advertisements, nothing to sell. River city Malone is, among other things, trying to sell books. There's always grift with these people.
Most political "conservatives" I have any knowledge of have made strong statements in favor of the vaccination programs for Covid, and other medical conventional programs as well.
I am aware that there is a body of profiteering that builds on false scares like the Pharma bogeyman/genocide sort of narrative, but it's not organized into an efficient of movement, has no leadership, and mostly small-time medicine show hawkers of no consequence.
I followed the ICU nurse to HCQ. I have used Ivermectin on cattle to delouse and debug their hides. You just pour it on their backs once a year.
An ordinary person might have noticed a test Pandemic run under Obama, or a little chatty segment on mainstream TV in Oct 2019. I was following the 2019/2020 flu season. When Covid started, the CDC pulled the charts and a few weeks later issued charts for C19, which incorporated flu as Covid. Flu dead dropped to nothing when C19 jacked up. At that time, hospitals were being paid a premium for a Covid diagnosis. A lot of crap about everyone being counted as Covid.
If the early numbers were "pure", we would have had a much more rapid rise in immune population. The fact that our gross immune testing still shows so many people without the C19 antibodies and T-Lymphocyte reaction.
We've been worked pretty good to get so many people so worked up over this.
We did deliberately suppress valid treatments and exaggerate the stats.
Good post Cosmored. Let's see if the house will let it stand.
There are untold numbers of people who have received one of the COVID shots and are now disabled or severely injured, and they regret their decision. Not only do they regret their decision, they want you to know what the true risks are, and warn you. These people are being CENSORED in the...
If the early numbers were "pure", we would have had a much more rapid rise in immune population. The fact that our gross immune testing still shows so many people without the C19 antibodies and T-Lymphocyte reaction.
The Testimony Project was born to give a platform to all the victims after the Covid-19 vaccine, and to make the voices of those who are ignored by the Israeli media heard
Absolutely. The very title indicates a massive misunderstanding of the difference between correlation and causation. For example, something like 2% of people over 70 get cancer every year. So when the movie talks about people who got cancer right after getting the vaccine, will it mention this? No, because it's not about education, it's about bias and fear.
Perhaps the movie will avoid indirect testimonies, such as Minaj's tale about some cousins friend who turned out to not exist, perhaps not. Either way, anecdotes are not data, and these stories don't say anything about the vaccine. Not at all, not one bit. They only speak to the level of ignorance among the people who make and spread them.
Absolutely. The very title indicates a massive misunderstanding of the difference between correlation and causation. For example, something like 2% of people over 70 get cancer every year. So when the movie talks about people who got cancer right after getting the vaccine, will it mention this? No, because it's not about education, it's about bias and fear.
Perhaps the movie will avoid indirect testimonies, such as Minaj's tale about some cousins friend who turned out to not exist, perhaps not. Either way, anecdotes are not data, and these stories don't say anything about the vaccine. Not at all, not one bit. They only speak to the level of ignorance among the people who make and spread them.
Several types of fruit and other non-human things were given the PCR test in Tanzania and they came out positive according to this video. When you give a test outside the intended environment, the results are unpredictable. Trying to capitalize on that is fear mongering. You seem to be driven...
jazzfanz.com
Do you think anybody has died because of the vaccine? How many people do you think have died because of the vaccine?
The Testimony Project was born to give a platform to all the victims after the Covid-19 vaccine, and to make the voices of those who are ignored by the Israeli media heard
Thats awesome! Can anyone provide testimonials? Cause the MSM has been trying to keep my voice quiet and I need a platform to tell my story about what happened to me after getting the covid vaccine.
I got the covid vaccine and then about 2 weeks later I stubbed my toe on my kitchen chair leg. The MSM doesn't want this information to get out but I learned that getting the covid vaccine leads to more stubbed toes.
There are untold numbers of people who have received one of the COVID shots and are now disabled or severely injured, and they regret their decision. Not only do they regret their decision, they want you to know what the true risks are, and warn you. These people are being CENSORED in the...
The apparent fact that certain media platforms and major media broadcasters have taken actions to just blow off or discredit or suppress personal accounts is a huge warning bell.
But more evident patterns of conduct by authorities include deliberately disregarding known science in decisions, such as Fauci and the Great Mask Charade. We still have not seen a credible scientific study to support the effectiveness of masks or distancing. Common sense just says these things likely help0, though, and no one gets hurt..... well except for those who are, somehnow.
Cuomo reducing transit cars and forcing tight packing on transit is just really, really stupid. And not using the emergency hospitals Trump got up and ready, and sending infected people into care centers by order.
Pelosi mocking Trump as a racist and going to China Town, and Cuomo in New York urging the same, initially...... The only way to make a rational analysis of these actions is to wonder if these politicians were deliberate, wanting to max the pandemic, perhaps to make political use of it.
The first vaccine was done the traditional way, in Washington, and it worked. But the authorities blew it off so the big pharma cartels could get the market.
Traditional vaccines develop the T Cell lymphocyte immunity, which lasts a damn long time.
It has been known for years that the mRNA method is not effective in that respect. People who contract the disease develop much better and longer lasting immunity, and pass the virus less.
The gene trick is much cleaner, and hopefully would produce less side effects or adverse reactions or extraneous immune reactions that could show up as allergy or impairment of some biological function.
With an attitude to promote the vaccine unreasonably...... mandating that Covid recovered have to get the vaccine, and children, the lie is really out in the open. This is a political hack job on good sense, human rights, and probably is part of the power grab for socialism.
Time for really questioning the sanity of these leaders, of the media and platform managers.
In the general context, while it is likely there is a crazy fear-mongering side to the story(well, two sides, as in all political public operations), there is no one actually authoritatively reporting adverse reactions objectively. People with anecdotal events are generally not very objective. But there is enough out there, and even more "official" reports are admitting higher side effects and higher deaths from the Covid vaccines.
With some excellent treatment modes known, it is a rational thing to decide to wait for the real thing, unless you have known risk issues.
The idea that vaccine reticence or resistance is costing lives is probably a lesser issue that the idea that refusal to promote treatment modes is also costing a lot of lives.
I think the vaccine deaths are likely in the thousands per million cases of vaccination. The blood clotting issues have probably done that as a single side effect.
I think there is enough variance in the human population that you will never find any treatment or vaccine that doesn't do that kind of thing.
Side effects of less than immediate mortal consequence are probably at least ten times that.
But who in the hell is objectively studying the issue. I mean, besides the paid "scientific" cheering section
I think the vaccine deaths are likely in the thousands per million cases of vaccination. The blood clotting issues have probably done that as a single side effect.
Where politically-directed falsification of reports is the issue, as it is in the US, you should not just believe what you're told. Fortunately, our "news" is not prevailing worldwide. There are valid reports being done, even if they are suppressed in the US.
Here is something that should wake you up. It is done with a high level of integrity and intellect, and is well-documented and relies on mainstream sources of reporting as a mid-level summary work published in a respected peer-reviewed journal.
" However, despite these positive data regarding the efficacy of vaccines, more severe Adverse Events Following Immunization (AEFI) such as anaphylaxis, Bell's Palsy, Vaccine-Induced Immune Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT) and deaths have been reported in persons who have already received one or two doses of the vaccines [[13], [14], [15]"
9. Mortality after COVID-19 vaccination: More concerningly have been emerging reports of deaths following the various available COVID-19 vaccines. A Norwegian expert group has noted mortality in frail patients vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and advocate a risk-benefit analysis in this cohort of patients [29]. There have been multiple other reasons attributed to deaths with these vaccines including fatal anaphylaxis and a paradoxical syndrome of blood clots and thrombocytopenia (VITT) [14,15]. VITT has been predominantly noticed following the first dose of the Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine and this has led to change in vaccine strategy with the CDC panel including various national governments advocating avoiding Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in specific age groups and women [30].
Post vaccination deaths due to COVID-19 have been reported in older individuals with multiple co-morbidities [31]. It has been reported that vaccine effectiveness is generally lower in such groups [32].
10. Role of Genealogy: It has been certainly clear that Black and Ethnic Minority (BAME) population have been disproportionately affected by COVID-19 [33]. What is still being evaluated is the effect of COVID-19 vaccine and its relationship with genetic configuration.
The studies elucidating these mechanisms for COVID-19 infection and mortality after commonly used COVID-19 vaccinations are summarized in Table 1 . The studies where the incidence of breakthrough infection post vaccination has been evaluated across various countries is summarized in Table 2 ."
Symptomatic or asymptomatic COVID-19 infection has been reported in vaccination. In the current article, we try to elucidate various causes behind COVID-19 infection and mortality following COVID-19 vaccination and suggest possible strategies to ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This report is on the inside track with accepted professionals even the US NIH and CDC.
But in reading it, I see a deliberate bias misdirecting attention from what I suspect are the main valid modes of vaccine-caused mortalities. It should be viewed as an Establishment attempt to defend the vaccines against what are the most prevalent outsider allegations.
Against what I mentioned a few posts above about concerns such as blood-clotting issues. I began raising this issue as soon as I knew what the vaccines were. There is simply no way you are going to manipulate the immune system with mRNA methods involving "tricking" the immune system with disease antibodies produced in this manner. A pretty slick trick, I do say. Nice that the mRNA is short-lived and therefore adverse reactions might trend on the short-term side as well. But our immune system is beyond our comprehension, really, and capable of destroying any self cell that somehow "looks" wrong. Read that as "Autoimmune Disease".
Anomalous blood clotting or otherwise notable effects on blood cell functions are to be expected in any kind of scenario where damage is occurring to any cell population accessible to the blood stream caused by any artificial agent of our contrivance.
I doubt you would even care to read this report. No need. You are handed daily talking points and supporting references, I believe. And that is your universe and your pathetic life. As I've stated elsewhere, you are not a scientist in this field of study. Some would say neither am I. I was once, and occasionally dip back in. What I recall most fondly is the kind of seminars that collegiate departments used to hold, where you had to go in armed to the teeth to support any assertion in your report because for damn certain you would be challenged from every possible angle.
Now, I imagine, such colloquia are cake-walks for the woke who support the desired political drift. Maybe I oughtta go back and see, but judging from what I see coming out in print, it would likely be another useless exercise in trying to deflect an agenda.
It is, nevertheless, very necessary to do reports like this as a stonewall against wild allegations from a ignoramus public in general. The fact that official attention, concern and effort is being made with these issues is far better than nothing at all.
And again, there is here no sign of the alleged "worldwide" genocide" unless you are resigned, as a sort of putative genocide engineer, to a very disperse, ineffective, sort of "genocide" that will reduce the target population by, at best,1% mostly old people with only a few years of expected life. Might help some countries with severe problems with too few young working people to pay the cost of excess elderly folks. But hey, that's what ordinary colds and flu are for already.
Where politically-directed falsification of reports is the issue, as it is in the US, you should not just believe what you're told. Fortunately, our "news" is not prevailing worldwide. There are valid reports being done, even if they are suppressed in the US.
Here is something that should wake you up. It is done with a high level of integrity and intellect, and is well-documented and relies on mainstream sources of reporting as a mid-level summary work published in a respected peer-reviewed journal.
Those sources include the Adverse Events Following Immunization (AEFI) run by the WHO. Do you trust the WHO? Because, they say that "Adverse event following immunization ... does not necessarily have a causal relationship with the usage of the vaccine. If not rapidly and effectively dealt with, can undermine confidence in a vaccine and ultimately have dramatic consequences for immunization coverage and disease incidence." and "Epidemiological studies are usually needed to assess the causal relationship between the vaccine and the signal.". You didn't link to such a study. If you don't trust the WHO, why are you relying on the reports in the AEFI that they run?
ACSoMP was established in 2003 to provide advice to WHO, including its Collaborating Centre for International Drug Monitoring (the UMC), and through it to the Member States of WHO, on safety issues relating to medicinal products.
www.who.int
However, in the study you did link to, we should not the authors Results:
A number of factors have been associated with symptomatic or asymptomatic COVID-19 infection reported after vaccination. A high viral load, comorbidities, mutant strains, Variants of Concern (VOC) leading to Vaccine escape and casual attitude towards COVID Appropriate Behaviors appear to be the most important factors for infection and deaths after COVID-19 vaccination.
But in reading it, I see a deliberate bias misdirecting attention from what I suspect are the main valid modes of vaccine-caused mortalities. It should be viewed as an Establishment attempt to defend the vaccines against what are the most prevalent outsider allegations.
Nothing in your self-description (a lab monkey who worked with chemists) comes across as a scientist in the field of public health. As a data monkey who actually works with public health scientists, among others, I'm at least as qualified as you.
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